ILR to BRP

vyzari · Post by **vyzari** » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:18 pm

Hi,

First post!
I was granted ILR back in 2009, when there was no BRP system in place. Since then I have had 2 newer passports, so my ILR is in the old passport. Now I am considering getting a BRP. There is no fee for this service.

The issue I am facing is this - at the last stages of the application it asking for document proof "The document(s) you provide must cover every year since you became a permanent resident. Example documents include: council tax letters; letter(s) from a GP confirming dates of attendance; letter(s) from a school or college confirming dates of attendance; electricity, gas or water bills; or letter(s) from employer(s) confirming employment"

I don't have documents to cover every year (especially in the early years since 2019). I can supply these documents from 2013/2014 onwards. I have always spent most of my time in the UK since coming here, so that is not an issue as my other 2 passports will prove this.

So, can anyone please suggest what I can do in this instance? SO how do I get about the issue of missing documentary evidence?

Thanks.

Post by **vinny** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 am

Note that physical B R Ps will be extinct from next year as they are moving to digital status only. Moreover, they cannot even be used for employment nor accommodation purposes now.

Why not naturalise instead?

Post by **zimba** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 am

There is no specific requirement, provide whatever you have. However, I suggest not applying for BRP unless you need to travel soon. BRPs are being replaced with eVisas and by this summer everyone can get a digital status eVisa rather than BRP. Please read the topics pinned to the top of the forum !

vyzari · Post by **vyzari** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:55 pm

vinny wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 am
Note that physical B R Ps will be extinct from next year as they are moving to digital status only. Moreover, they cannot even be used for employment nor accommodation purposes now.

Why not naturalise instead?

Thanks Vinny. I need to prove my right to work here. So how do I do this in the meantime? I urgently need a job but as I can't get a share code I am not able to prove my right to work. It appears that employers can't even use the home office checking service (the only option to check is if you have applied for a BRP this use the reference number)

vyzari · Post by **vyzari** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:56 pm

zimba wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 am
There is no specific requirement, provide whatever you have. However, I suggest not applying for BRP unless you need to travel soon. BRPs are being replaced with eVisas and by this summer everyone can get a digital status eVisa rather than BRP. Please read the topics pinned to the top of the forum !

Thanks, but the new system will come in to force next year January, if I am correct. In the meantime, how can I prove my right to work in the UK using the old vignette? In 15 years my appearance has also changed slightly...

Post by **zimba** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:02 pm

vyzari wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:56 pm

zimba wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 am
There is no specific requirement, provide whatever you have. However, I suggest not applying for BRP unless you need to travel soon. BRPs are being replaced with eVisas and by this summer everyone can get a digital status eVisa rather than BRP. Please read the topics pinned to the top of the forum !
Thanks, but the new system will come in to force next year January, if I am correct. In the meantime, how can I prove my right to work in the UK using the old vignette? In 15 years my appearance has also changed slightly...

Ask the employer to use the Employer checking service. Getting a BRP could take months

eVisas system is set to become available by this summer. Did you read the posts on top of the forum ??

vyzari · Post by **vyzari** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:35 pm

Hi,

Yes, I have read that article.
The problem is that they can't use the immigration checking service to verify my details because my ILR is stamped on an old passport and my situation doesn't fulfil any of the below criteria as mentioned in the checking service:

Does this person have any one of the following?

*an ongoing application or appeal for leave to remain in the UK
*an application for no time limit to be added to a new passport by someone who already has indefinite leave to enter or remain in the UK
*an application for transferring a current visa into a new passport / Biometric Residence Permit (BRP) or applying for a replacement BRP
*a Certificate of Application (COA) issued following submission of an application under the EU Settlement Scheme (EUSS)
*an Application Registration Card (ARC) for an asylum seeker stating that the holder is allowed to work
*or unable to produce valid BRP due to non-delivery or collection
*or unable to use Digital Right to Work service due to technical error
*none of the above

When you click 'none of the above' and two more questions later, it states the following:

"You cannot request a Home Office right to work check
Based on the information you have provided, you cannot request a Home Office right to work check for this person. You can find further guidance on GOV.UK."

Any guidance would help as I am really struggling at the moment to prove my rights...

Post by **zimba** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:46 pm

Then better to apply for a BRP and then tell them that you have a pending BRP application

vyzari · Post by **vyzari** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:05 pm

zimba wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:46 pm
Then better to apply for a BRP and then tell them that you have a pending BRP application

Yes, and that was exactly what my original post was about... I have copied the most important part from the original post below. I only have documents from roughly 2013/2014 and not much before that. So how can I deal with this problem? I am not considering naturalisation at this point. Can anyone help please? Has anyone else been in a similar situation?

"The issue I am facing is this - at the last stages of the application it asking for document proof "The document(s) you provide must cover every year since you became a permanent resident. Example documents include: council tax letters; letter(s) from a GP confirming dates of attendance; letter(s) from a school or college confirming dates of attendance; electricity, gas or water bills; or letter(s) from employer(s) confirming employment"

Post by **CR001** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:07 pm

You will need to find evidence. The reason this is asked for, is to determine and verify that you have NOT been absent for 2 or more years and therefore possibly lost your ILR status. And yes, UKVI do check this rigorously due to ILR holders using ILR as a 'visa' to just pop in and out of the UK visiting but not living, working, residing here.

vyzari · Post by **vyzari** » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:27 pm

CR001 wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:07 pm
You will need to find evidence. The reason this is asked for, is to determine and verify that you have NOT been absent for 2 or more years and therefore possibly lost your ILR status. And yes, UKVI do check this rigorously due to ILR holders using ILR as a 'visa' to just pop in and out of the UK visiting but not living, working, residing here.

Would you know if evidencing travel history, by submitting all my passports would suffice in this case for the years where I don't have the requested documentary proof? I have 2 expired passports (the ILR is on the oldest expired passport), and 1 current passport. This way I can prove I have not stayed out of the country for more than the allowed duration?

Also, I may be able to request bank statements for the said periods which show my salary being paid in to it by my old employer... just thinking of ideas at this stage... any help or guidance is appreciated. Thanks.

Post by **zimba** » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:43 am

zimba wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 am
There is no specific requirement, provide whatever you have. However, I suggest not applying for BRP unless you need to travel soon. BRPs are being replaced with eVisas and by this summer everyone can get a digital status eVisa rather than BRP. Please read the topics pinned to the top of the forum !

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