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Well said Obie. That comment represents one individual opinion on this forum and only try to use public reactions to defend it. Its appalling how people always look at a coin from one side. Of course, he's a daily mail reader.Obie wrote:The argument could also be constructed in the opposite direction, that these children's future and welfare should not be held to ransom because of their parents actions, or the desires of UKBA to punish their parents.
Looking at it from proportionality point of view, is it proportional to punish a whole family including citizens children, because the mother was so desperate to have a status, that she made a fraudulent application? does the punishment really fit the crime?
It is important to remember that her action did not cause any harm to any members of society, it is dishonesty for sure, but does it have any victim per sa? except of course individuals who have zenophobic or lovely agenda.
It goes without saying that the children should not be held responsible for the parents action but if you say that I am a lovey or xenophobic then you could not be further from the truth as my wife is of a different skin colour than mine and she entered this country legally.Obie wrote:The argument could also be constructed in the opposite direction, that these children's future and welfare should not be held to ransom because of their parents actions, or the desires of UKBA to punish their parents.
Looking at it from proportionality point of view, is it proportional to punish a whole family including citizens children, because the mother was so desperate to have a status, that she made a fraudulent application? does the punishment really fit the crime?
It is important to remember that her action did not cause any harm to any members of society, it is dishonesty for sure, but does it have any victim per sa? except of course individuals who have zenophobic or lovely agenda.
Its so sad that a little girl lost her life in such unfortunate circumstances and my heart goes to her family. But we should ask ourself the following questionsmochyn wrote:if one remembers the failed asylum seeker that killed a 12 year old girl with his car which prompted the distraught father to say that his daughter would still be alive if he had been deported.
That is a good Thinking, Accident can happen to anybody if the driver was a British, where will they deport him to.HRY2005 wrote:Its so sad that a little girl lost her life in such unfortunate circumstances and my heart goes to her family. But we should ask ourself the following questionsmochyn wrote:if one remembers the failed asylum seeker that killed a 12 year old girl with his car which prompted the distraught father to say that his daughter would still be alive if he had been deported.
1. Does that accident happen because the driver was an asylum seeker?
2. What would the parents of all other victims of car accidents driven by Brits say?
I Think you are generally unhappy with people settling in this country, i've been reading all your comments on people case and i find it very disappointing and i'm glad you are not the secretory of state, and you are not a supreme court judge, if you where to be i think no immigrant will be in this country, so your opinion doesn't count, you are nobody simple, mochyn or what did you call yourself.mochyn wrote:It goes without saying that the children should not be held responsible for the parents action but if you say that I am a lovey or xenophobic then you could not be further from the truth as my wife is of a different skin colour than mine and she entered this country legally.Obie wrote:The argument could also be constructed in the opposite direction, that these children's future and welfare should not be held to ransom because of their parents actions, or the desires of UKBA to punish their parents.
Looking at it from proportionality point of view, is it proportional to punish a whole family including citizens children, because the mother was so desperate to have a status, that she made a fraudulent application? does the punishment really fit the crime?
It is important to remember that her action did not cause any harm to any members of society, it is dishonesty for sure, but does it have any victim per sa? except of course individuals who have zenophobic or lovely agenda.
My beef and that of many people who live in this country is that you should abide by its laws and this lady chose to circumvent the laws and the JUDGE not I commented on her appalling immigration history.
As for the comment that her actions do not cause harm to any members of society is very simplistic in its view if one remembers the failed asylum seeker that killed a 12 year old girl with his car which prompted the distraught father to say that his daughter would still be alive if he had been deported.
I stand by my principles.
If you wish to live in this country do so legally.
When in Rome do as the Romans do
I agree, everyone should respect the laws of the land. nobody should ever be above the law.jkmuk wrote:I am not a Brit by birth but would strongly stand by the principle that one must respect the laws of the land. Failing to play by the rules/law and then expect the same to be fair, considerate, humane etc... is just plain hypocrisy. Humans being humans resort to desperate means at desperate times which I do not blame and at the same time the supreme court's ruling reflects the tolerance levels of the UK society. As long as such cases are an exception and not the norm, I guess live should go on normally. So 'peace'?