Registration of my newborn as a British Citizen

abanerje wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:29 pm

Hi all,

Nice to meet everyone.

While I'm awaiting a decision on my ILR, I just wanted to reach out to the group and get guidance around MN1 online application to register my newborn as a British citizen.

Is there any guide available that can provide step by step guidance around completing the online application? I have looked at the official MN1 guidance pdf however it doesn't talk about the online form and how to go about completing all the sections.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all in advance.

can I directly register him as a British citizen via the MN1 online route?

abanerje wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:05 pm

Hi all,

Few more questions, please see below:

- 'Have you had settlement in the UK?' (I have just received my ILR and my child was born this year in June)

- 'Enter your name as shown on your passport or travel document. Use the English spelling of your name where provided.
(Required)
The name you give here will be the name shown on your birth certificate. Please make sure it is spelt correctly' (My child does not have a passport - can we use the information on the birth certificate to respond to this question?) Yes, you can register to become a British citizen if, when you were born, neither of your parents were British citizens or settled in the UK. You don't need to have a foreign passport for this.

- 'Have you lived at your current address for 5 years?' (As I mentioned, he was born this year so not sure what to respond here)

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:36 am

Hi all,

I'm stuck with a few questions on the 'Nationality' section of the form. As a reminder, I'm applying to register my child as a British citizen. He was born this year on 30/06. I have recently obtained my ILR and have Indian citizenship. Please see my queries below:

1. As per the current Indian Citizenship Law - 'A person born outside India on or after 3rd December, 2004 shall not be a citizen of India, unless the parents declare that the minor does not hold passport of another country and his birth is registered at an Indian consulate within one year of the date of birth or with the permission of the Central Government, after the expiry of the said period.'

We haven't registered our child at the Indian Consulate in London. Therefore, is it safe to say he is 'Officially Stateless'? Nope, you can't state that your child is stateless. Your child is yours and by blood comes from where you're from. Your child is Indian. If you have to leave the UK today, I'm guessing you would be leaving with your child. If there's an immediate need for a passport today, the easiest passport you can get is Indian. 1+1=2

2. As he was born less than 4 months ago, he does not have any form of ID and as per my understanding, Birth Certificate does not qualify as an ID. Therefore, please can you confirm if the response to the below question is sufficient or shall I add more details?

Q on MN1 form: Explain why you are unable to provide a valid form of identification.
Response: 'The applicant was born this year in the UK on 30th June, 2023 and since then hasn't traveled out of the UK. Therefore, he does not have a travel document example a passport or any other form of identity. ' Fair enough.

3. What should be the response to the below question (my current response is 'No' as I'm not an EEA national) correct.

Question on MN1 form: 'Are you relying on your parent's permanent residence (either as an EEA National or the family member of an EEA National) as evidence of their settled status in the United Kingdom?'

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:17 am

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:36 am

Hi all,

I'm stuck with a few questions on the 'Nationality' section of the form. As a reminder, I'm applying to register my child as a British citizen. He was born this year on 30/06. I have recently obtained my ILR and have Indian citizenship. Please see my queries below:

1. As per the current Indian Citizenship Law - 'A person born outside India on or after 3rd December, 2004 shall not be a citizen of India, unless the parents declare that the minor does not hold passport of another country and his birth is registered at an Indian consulate within one year of the date of birth or with the permission of the Central Government, after the expiry of the said period.'

We haven't registered our child at the Indian Consulate in London. Therefore, is it safe to say he is 'Officially Stateless'? Nope, you can't state that your child is stateless. Your child is yours and by blood comes from where you're from. Your child is Indian. If you have to leave the UK today, I'm guessing you would be leaving with your child. If there's an immediate need for a passport today, the easiest passport you can get is Indian. 1+1=2

2. As he was born less than 4 months ago, he does not have any form of ID and as per my understanding, Birth Certificate does not qualify as an ID. Therefore, please can you confirm if the response to the below question is sufficient or shall I add more details?

Q on MN1 form: Explain why you are unable to provide a valid form of identification.
Response: 'The applicant was born this year in the UK on 30th June, 2023 and since then hasn't traveled out of the UK. Therefore, he does not have a travel document example a passport or any other form of identity. ' Fair enough.

3. What should be the response to the below question (my current response is 'No' as I'm not an EEA national) correct.

Question on MN1 form: 'Are you relying on your parent's permanent residence (either as an EEA National or the family member of an EEA National) as evidence of their settled status in the United Kingdom?'

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm

Note that the teacher is the professional and also happens to be British (not required to be British, but it helps). Now you need another British that doesn't have to be professional . It's frequently discussed here on the forum. The GP's find it hard to give personal information to strangers. You're basically asking the GP to give you their full name, dob, address, passport number etc.
Only someone that knows you and trust you would give you that.

The HO knows this, so no problems in this regards.

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:06 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm

Note that the teacher is the professional and also happens to be British (not required to be British, but it helps). Now you need another British that doesn't have to be professional . It's frequently discussed here on the forum. The GP's find it hard to give personal information to strangers. You're basically asking the GP to give you their full name, dob, address, passport number etc.
Only someone that knows you and trust you would give you that.

The HO knows this, so no problems in this regards.

Many thanks for the above reply. Much appreciated

I again took a look at the application form and it says the second referee can be of any nationality. Please see below.

Your second referee
Give your second referee's details. This referee must be:
a person of any nationality who has professional standing.

Therefore, can I stick with my 2nd referee or do you advise looking for a British national (I don't know any to be honest)

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:11 pm

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:06 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm

Note that the teacher is the professional and also happens to be British (not required to be British, but it helps). Now you need another British that doesn't have to be professional . It's frequently discussed here on the forum. The GP's find it hard to give personal information to strangers. You're basically asking the GP to give you their full name, dob, address, passport number etc.
Only someone that knows you and trust you would give you that.

The HO knows this, so no problems in this regards.

Many thanks for the above reply. Much appreciated

I again took a look at the application form and it says the second referee can be of any nationality. Please see below.

Your second referee
Give your second referee's details. This referee must be:
a person of any nationality who has professional standing.

Therefore, can I stick with my 2nd referee or do you advise looking for a British national (I don't know any to be honest)

Ok good, but you have to always read it in entirety, not in bits. Does this 2nd referee (Indian) have a "professional standing" on the list? As you haven't said anythings about that.

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:28 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:11 pm

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:06 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm

Note that the teacher is the professional and also happens to be British (not required to be British, but it helps). Now you need another British that doesn't have to be professional . It's frequently discussed here on the forum. The GP's find it hard to give personal information to strangers. You're basically asking the GP to give you their full name, dob, address, passport number etc.
Only someone that knows you and trust you would give you that.

The HO knows this, so no problems in this regards.

Many thanks for the above reply. Much appreciated

I again took a look at the application form and it says the second referee can be of any nationality. Please see below.

Your second referee
Give your second referee's details. This referee must be:
a person of any nationality who has professional standing.

Therefore, can I stick with my 2nd referee or do you advise looking for a British national (I don't know any to be honest)

Ok good, but you have to always read it in entirety, not in bits. Does this 2nd referee (Indian) have a "professional standing" on the list? As you haven't said anythings about that.

That's a good point. The other referee works for a large tech organisation which is publicly traded. He is working in the capacity of a Senior Product Manager in the company. I did run through the list of allowed professions and found the following one to be the closest match - 'manager or personnel officer of a limited company'. Please can you confirm if the 2nd referee would fall into this bucket? Many many thanks for your kind help.

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:35 pm

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:28 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:11 pm

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:06 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm

Note that the teacher is the professional and also happens to be British (not required to be British, but it helps). Now you need another British that doesn't have to be professional . It's frequently discussed here on the forum. The GP's find it hard to give personal information to strangers. You're basically asking the GP to give you their full name, dob, address, passport number etc.
Only someone that knows you and trust you would give you that.

The HO knows this, so no problems in this regards.

Many thanks for the above reply. Much appreciated

I again took a look at the application form and it says the second referee can be of any nationality. Please see below.

Your second referee
Give your second referee's details. This referee must be:
a person of any nationality who has professional standing.

Therefore, can I stick with my 2nd referee or do you advise looking for a British national (I don't know any to be honest)

Ok good, but you have to always read it in entirety, not in bits. Does this 2nd referee (Indian) have a "professional standing" on the list? As you haven't said anythings about that.

That's a good point. The other referee works for a large tech organisation which is publicly traded. He is working in the capacity of a Senior Product Manager in the company. I did run through the list of allowed professions and found the following one to be the closest match - 'manager or personnel officer of a limited company'. Please can you confirm if the 2nd referee would fall into this bucket? Many many thanks for your kind help.

If the designation says "Manager", then that should be fine. Otherwise the HO would use the teacher as the professional referee and ask you to get anyone else over the age of 25 who is British. Or find another professional of any nationality.

I think you should be fine.

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:56 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:35 pm

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:28 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:11 pm

abanerje wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:06 pm

Ticktack wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm

Note that the teacher is the professional and also happens to be British (not required to be British, but it helps). Now you need another British that doesn't have to be professional . It's frequently discussed here on the forum. The GP's find it hard to give personal information to strangers. You're basically asking the GP to give you their full name, dob, address, passport number etc.
Only someone that knows you and trust you would give you that.

The HO knows this, so no problems in this regards.

Many thanks for the above reply. Much appreciated

I again took a look at the application form and it says the second referee can be of any nationality. Please see below.

Your second referee
Give your second referee's details. This referee must be:
a person of any nationality who has professional standing.

Therefore, can I stick with my 2nd referee or do you advise looking for a British national (I don't know any to be honest)

Ok good, but you have to always read it in entirety, not in bits. Does this 2nd referee (Indian) have a "professional standing" on the list? As you haven't said anythings about that.

That's a good point. The other referee works for a large tech organisation which is publicly traded. He is working in the capacity of a Senior Product Manager in the company. I did run through the list of allowed professions and found the following one to be the closest match - 'manager or personnel officer of a limited company'. Please can you confirm if the 2nd referee would fall into this bucket? Many many thanks for your kind help.

If the designation says "Manager", then that should be fine. Otherwise the HO would use the teacher as the professional referee and ask you to get anyone else over the age of 25 who is British. Or find another professional of any nationality.

I think you should be fine.

Thank you so much for all your kind help

alterhase58 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:00 pm

Birth certificate.

alterhase58 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:00 pm

Birth certificate.