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Hi ! Are you sure?secret.simon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:23 pmYes, a French PACS is accepted as the overseas equivalent of an opposite sex civil partnership in the UK.
Hi! I use PACS to apply EU settlements scheme with my french partner opposite sex. And I wait for 4 month to get refused in March 2020. The reason on my refusal letter is Pacs solidarity from France is not a close family member certificate they recognized. They recognized me applying as extend family member. You need to use Pacs to apply residence card. And use residence card to apply EU settlement scheme!joewat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:22 pmHi guys,
I'm french with settled status in the UK, my girlfriend is Australian.
We have been pacsed in 2020 and currently waiting for an answer regarding our application for my girlfriend to get pre-settled status as close family member of a EU citizen in the UK (me). So far we got the Certificate of Application (CoA) but still waiting for the actual answer.
I definitely think that opposite sex Pacs is recognised in the UK, however I'm now worried the governement has not updated the information everywhere.
Here are a few interesting links :
- Tweet from "Equal Civil Partnership" saying it's fine :
- Article from French Connexion saying it's definitely meant to be fine but doesn't say if the regulation is already applied, or only forthcoming : https://www.connexionfrance.com/Practic ... law-change
- Gov Website Page which still state that opposite sex PACS is not recognised, which feels wrong and makes me worried : https://www.gov.uk/marriage-abroad/y/fr ... posite_sex
If anybody finds any information, please add them in this thread.
Many thanks !
Hi joewat!joewat wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:55 pmHi all,
Great news, after getting many complains, the foreign office has now finally updated their pages on the gov.uk website and it now specifically says that Opposite Sex French Pacs is now recognised in the uk : https://www.gov.uk/marriage-abroad/y/fr ... posite_sex
We can now hope that this page also get updated by the Home Office, so that EU settlement applications for pacsed non Eu partners are based on the latest law : https://www.gov.uk/guidance/eu-settleme ... eu-citizen.
I encourage as many people as possible to log a feedback about the page, so that it gets updated asap.
Many thanks
Hi joewat,joewat wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:55 pmHi all,
Great news, after getting many complains, the foreign office has now finally updated their pages on the gov.uk website and it now specifically says that Opposite Sex French Pacs is now recognised in the uk : https://www.gov.uk/marriage-abroad/y/fr ... posite_sex
We can now hope that this page also get updated by the Home Office, so that EU settlement applications for pacsed non Eu partners are based on the latest law : https://www.gov.uk/guidance/eu-settleme ... eu-citizen.
I encourage as many people as possible to log a feedback about the page, so that it gets updated asap.
Many thanks
Hi joewat,joewat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:34 pmUPDATE : PRE-SETTLED STATUS REFUSED !
I'm now exactly in the same situation than lichzz.
I'm a French Male with Settled Status in the UK and I'm PACSED to my Non EU Female Partner.
Since the "Equal Civil Partnerships" change of law end of 2019, a lot of Oversea Opposite Sex Civil Partnerships are now fully recognised in the UK (including the French PACS for which the gov page has been updated : https://www.gov.uk/marriage-abroad/y/fr ... posite_sex) .
My Non EU Partner applied to the EU Settled Scheme as my Civil Partner and, after a 4.5 months wait, we just got a refusal letter stating that we weren't qualifying as "Durable Partners" which is crazy as this not what we applied for ! We applied as Civil Partners and we used the PACS Certificate as the Evidence of Relationship.
This is what the letter says : "You state that you are a durable partner of a relevant EEA citizen. However, you have not provided sufficient evidence to confirm this"
The letter also advises us to apply for a EEA Residence Card instead, but that feels like a very bad advice for many reasons, not least because EEA Residence Cards will stop being recognised at the end of 2020 due to Brexit, which is soon.
I have read the "CaseWorker Guidance" and it clearly states that valid certificates of Oversea Civil Partnerships (not just same-sex) recognised in the UK are the relevant Evidence to provide for Civil Partners :
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... r-guidance
This seems like a gross mistake from the Caseworker.
I'm now considering two different options :
- Launching an Administrative review of the EU Settlement Refusal decision but this could be lengthy/unreliable
- Applying for a Spouse Visa which is more Costly (Visa Fee + Health Surcharge + optional Priority Service Fee) but is more likely to work quickly and would results in my Partner getting "Right To Work" much faster
I would be very keen to hear about other people experiences.
Kind regards and best of luck !
Hey lichzz, thank you for this message, it is very encouraging. Could you kindly share with me the contact of the lawyer you used please? I am interested.lichzz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:41 amHi I’m back...I’m sorry that this happens to you too.
But clearly we should not think home office Will reflect the law to EU Settlement so soon:( And in my refusal letter it states the same as you. Saying we apply as durable partner.
After I got my refusal in March, I was in a crisis to prove my right to work too.
So hear me out, because everything was sort out now.
I decide to consult lawyers and talks to a few. They all state doing administrative review is not a good choice since they use the same guideline and it will cost you some money and time with the same result.
We decided to apply for EU residence card with my EU partner applying registeration certificate(this way it’s faster). And you can do it online without sending passport.
We send our application end of March (2 week after I got refused )and 3 week later I got a long COA (you can get it faster but mine was due to The begin of lockdown)which proof my right of work. So no panic with work anymore.
And in the end of June I got my Residence card as a family member of an EU citizen. And this card expired June 2021. So I have follow the instruction of my lawyer to use this residence card to apply EU settlement and my lawyer also said it will be very straight forward since Home office already have all my documents from my Residence card application.
I hope this helps... it can be nice to have a short consult with a lawyer to sort out your choices. I def think you still have time to apply for residence card and then apply EU settlement scheme. I know the system is stupid....but it is like that:(
Let me know if you have any questions.
Good luck!
Hi Ben,Ben1Ben wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:20 pmHey lichzz, thank you for this message, it is very encouraging. Could you kindly share with me the contact of the lawyer you used please? I am interested.lichzz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:41 amHi I’m back...I’m sorry that this happens to you too.
But clearly we should not think home office Will reflect the law to EU Settlement so soon:( And in my refusal letter it states the same as you. Saying we apply as durable partner.
After I got my refusal in March, I was in a crisis to prove my right to work too.
So hear me out, because everything was sort out now.
I decide to consult lawyers and talks to a few. They all state doing administrative review is not a good choice since they use the same guideline and it will cost you some money and time with the same result.
We decided to apply for EU residence card with my EU partner applying registeration certificate(this way it’s faster). And you can do it online without sending passport.
We send our application end of March (2 week after I got refused )and 3 week later I got a long COA (you can get it faster but mine was due to The begin of lockdown)which proof my right of work. So no panic with work anymore.
And in the end of June I got my Residence card as a family member of an EU citizen. And this card expired June 2021. So I have follow the instruction of my lawyer to use this residence card to apply EU settlement and my lawyer also said it will be very straight forward since Home office already have all my documents from my Residence card application.
I hope this helps... it can be nice to have a short consult with a lawyer to sort out your choices. I def think you still have time to apply for residence card and then apply EU settlement scheme. I know the system is stupid....but it is like that:(
Let me know if you have any questions.
Good luck!
Also, does it mean that with the EU residence card you won't need to provide any further information to prove your relationship with your civil partner?
Thanks a lot
Members are not permitted to post any names of details of lawyers of immigration agents in the forum.lichzz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:55 pmHi Ben,
We use xxxxxxx in London. I'm not sure if sharing this info is ok on this board?
We did provide information about our relationship since our lawyer said we can procide just in case.
But at the end seems like they consider us as family member rather than extend family member.
And my case pass through very fast consider it was during lockdown and others are having delay over 6 months.
Thank you Ben1Ben. We are planning to get apostille for certificate and translate it to English. Do you think it is necessary to provide civil partnership agreement with the certificate?Ben1Ben wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:11 pmHi Symphony,
No ID numbers nor tax numbers are shown on the PACS document so I would assume it's ok.
One thing I am not sure though is if the document needs to be translated. I think it is mandatory for docs not in english. lichzz - have you provided a certified translated copy or the original doc?
Thanks,
Hi Lichzz,lichzz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:55 pmHi Ben,Ben1Ben wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:20 pmHey lichzz, thank you for this message, it is very encouraging. Could you kindly share with me the contact of the lawyer you used please? I am interested.lichzz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:41 amHi I’m back...I’m sorry that this happens to you too.
But clearly we should not think home office Will reflect the law to EU Settlement so soon:( And in my refusal letter it states the same as you. Saying we apply as durable partner.
After I got my refusal in March, I was in a crisis to prove my right to work too.
So hear me out, because everything was sort out now.
I decide to consult lawyers and talks to a few. They all state doing administrative review is not a good choice since they use the same guideline and it will cost you some money and time with the same result.
We decided to apply for EU residence card with my EU partner applying registeration certificate(this way it’s faster). And you can do it online without sending passport.
We send our application end of March (2 week after I got refused )and 3 week later I got a long COA (you can get it faster but mine was due to The begin of lockdown)which proof my right of work. So no panic with work anymore.
And in the end of June I got my Residence card as a family member of an EU citizen. And this card expired June 2021. So I have follow the instruction of my lawyer to use this residence card to apply EU settlement and my lawyer also said it will be very straight forward since Home office already have all my documents from my Residence card application.
I hope this helps... it can be nice to have a short consult with a lawyer to sort out your choices. I def think you still have time to apply for residence card and then apply EU settlement scheme. I know the system is stupid....but it is like that:(
Let me know if you have any questions.
Good luck!
Also, does it mean that with the EU residence card you won't need to provide any further information to prove your relationship with your civil partner?
Thanks a lot
We use xxxxxxx in London. I'm not sure if sharing this info is ok on this board?
We did provide information about our relationship since our lawyer said we can procide just in case.
But at the end seems like they consider us as family member rather than extend family member.
And my case pass through very fast consider it was during lockdown and others are having delay over 6 months.