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Even though your mother has a sponsor, it does not mean your financial statements are taken into account. You would've had to explain the money movements in her bank statements in a cover letter.Katie_France wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:09 pmThe rest is what my father was transferring to her account ( we did not explain those transactions), as thought that full sponsorship from my husband (British citizen) will be enough (good salary, payslips, and bank statement were provided).
Showing account balance (that she has the money) is different from showing statements (transaction histories), as ECO would want to amek sure your mother did not put 10k pounds on her account just to show it for the visa, for example.Katie_France wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:09 pmShe also submitted a certificate from the Bank stating she had :
- One account in the amount of £1911
- Second account in the amount of £9197.79
- Third account in the amount of £3937.5
So what is the way out? Of course, she has room, board, and me, her daughter, and it will never change. She cannot find a job due to her age and retirement. I am looking for a solution in the situation.meself2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:40 pmEven though your mother has a sponsor, it does not mean your financial statements are taken into account. You would've had to explain the money movements in her bank statements in a cover letter.Katie_France wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:09 pmThe rest is what my father was transferring to her account ( we did not explain those transactions), as thought that full sponsorship from my husband (British citizen) will be enough (good salary, payslips, and bank statement were provided).
Also, consider this from the visa officer's point of view - if your mother has room, board, and her daughter is abroad, what would make her come back? It's not impossible, but challenging.Showing account balance (that she has the money) is different from showing statements (transaction histories), as ECO would want to make sure your mother did not put 10k pounds on her account just to show it for the visa, for example.Katie_France wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:09 pmShe also submitted a certificate from the Bank stating she had :
- One account in the amount of £1911
- Second account in the amount of £9197.79
- Third account in the amount of £3937.5
Thanks for your response. My mother does not have earnings, and she will not. She had money transferred to her account from my father, who passed away. Further, she will be receiving money from me + that little pension.meself2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:46 pmThere's no magic recipe for this. She would have to reapply after some time, better prepared, with better documents. Unfortuantely, things changed a lot since 2019 for obvious reasons.
I've outlined issue I've noticed based on the information given (I don't know the full list) - financial statements need to be explained, despite sponshorsip. You have to show to ECO, where do money come from and how does your mother earn it, in a cover letter, or even make an excel sheet, etc if it's too complicated. You can see ECO assumed 10000 is the whole pension amount, which doesn't seem to be true from your explanation.
Other members can provide better analysis.
Also maybe ask for a faster decision on compassionate grounds wrt your ILR? (see post2080846.html#p2080846 )
What do you mean by false declaration? The declaration was income from Allowance or regular money from your family, Pension. We never declared that it was only a pension.Frontier Mole wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:52 pmGiven the financial situation for your mother it will be doubtful that any future explanation is actually going to help. It might in fact make things worse as it will point to a false declaration in the first application.
There is also the small matter of a mass exodus from Russia in general, and the U.K. is not sympathetic to the migration of Russian nationals into the U.K. especially those with little to return to Russia in any case.
There is also a suggestion that your immigration history is a concern and has been considered in the decision too. I am assuming your previous history has been poor? If it included overstaying then that points very firmly to you and your husband by default are not considered good sponsors
Maybe you should get a SAR and see what HO has on you, once ILR is obtained (or before).Katie_France wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:46 pmI wonder a lot about that comment on immigration, actually absolutely shocked.
Article 8 and its implementation in UK might be tricky, see, for example, https://freemovement.org.uk/article-8-r ... in-the-uk/ about family life in the UK.
I think it's the first time I see this reason for a visitors visa refusal. Also noted that they put this as the first bullet point!Katie_France wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:20 pmGiven your daughter's immigration history, I am not satisfied that you are a
genuine visitor and that your ties to Russia are greater than the UK.
The length of the visit was 2 weeks. The invitation letters were from 2 British citizens: my husband and his mother, as we planned she stays 1 week with us and 1 week with my mother-in-law. They invitation letter was taken from this forum.Frontier Mole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:54 amI think you are missing the point, there is no absolute right for non U.K. citizens to enter the country. The U.K. is entitled to decide who can have a visit visa and who can’t. Your mother has minimal actual income and appears is greatly supported by you. There are no major ties to her country if she was to leave. It is not unreasonable to conclude the reason for the visit is to enter the U.K. with the intention to remain. I believe you have not stated what the length of the visit was to be?
Russia is a country of concern at the best of times, now because of the Ukrainian war it is now far more difficult for Russian citizens to enter the U.K. Hundreds of thousands ( some reports say over a million) of Russian citizens have fled the country since the war, the country is descending further and further into a chaotic state as sanctions increasingly bite. The economy is broken and corruption is even more rife. I totally get why people want to escape the country. However that does not give them the right to come to the U.K. on a visit visa. What the current circumstances in Russia points to is that there is a greatly increased risk of non-return to Russia and I believe that risk is reflected in the refusal of the visit visa.
The circumstances you have outlined would readily point to the intention to remain in the U.K. in fact that is a point you have not absolutely refuted. The other side of the equation- you are free to visit your mother in Russia so it is not a case that you are not prevented from doing so.
It would seam that you put emphasis on the fact that your husband is a U.K. citizen and you are heading for ILR - neither of those points give additional rights or weight to your mother’s application.
I will follow this case with interest to see what outcome is finally achieved.