Accommodation for a wife and one child

Hello,

I am in the process of submitting my wife's spouse visa application for her to come and join me in the U.K. We also have a child of 9 years. I have read the accommodation regulations but I am still unsure about the size of the accommodation required in such case

I am living in one bedroom apartment now with ONE BED and LIVING ROOM OPEN TO THE K-ITCHEN, Will that be considered as two bed spaces ( two rooms ) or just one bed space? Anyone was in a similar situation please?

Thank you

As renting a two bedroom apartment is extremely expensive in London so can hardly afford one bedroom for now ( considering the child could be sleeping in the living room for the beginning ) and to get those visas out of the way so I was wondering if either of the following two options could successfully support a spouse and one 9 years old child visas to the UK? or a two bedroom apartment will be the only option?

1- A one bedroom apartment with open plan k-itchen to the living room

or

2- A one bedroom apartment with separate living room from the k-itchen so there will be 2 rooms spaces

I would highly appreciate anyone's help to comment

I am not sure if an 'open plan' living room/k-itchen will be considered as 'one room of two'.

immigration-for-family-members/guidance ... t6227.html

Your child counts as 'half a person', so your accommodation must be suitable for 2.5 people and therefore 2 rooms.

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:03 pm

As renting a two bedroom apartment is extremely expensive in London so can hardly afford one bedroom for now ( considering the child could be sleeping in the living room for the beginning ) and to get those visas out of the way so I was wondering if either of the following two options could successfully support a spouse and one 9 years old child visas to the UK? or a two bedroom apartment will be the only option?

1- A one bedroom apartment with open plan k-itchen to the living room

or

2- A one bedroom apartment with separate living room from the k-itchen so there will be 2 rooms spaces

I would highly appreciate anyone's help to comment

I think its studio flat but not one bedroom flat where usually there is a living room apart of main bedroom and also a small but separate Spam. If there is no living room then maybe it won't work.

Thank you both for replying
It is not really a self contained studio but I talk about normal one bedroom apartments
I have been reading a lot about overcrowding and still so confused on that separate living room issue which not sure if it could count as a room space or not and even more confusing to me when the living room is open to a large Spam.

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:37 pm

Thank you both for replying
It is not really a self contained studio but I talk about normal one bedroom apartments
I have been reading a lot about overcrowding and still so confused on that separate living room issue which not sure if it could count as a room space or not and even more confusing to me when the living room is open to a large Spam.

Short answer that if you have no spare room or even living room then it wont meet the accommodation requirement. Check official examples:

Example A The accommodation has 1 room available as sleeping accommodation. The house would be occupied by a couple, and one child aged 5. The housing is overcrowded and therefore does not provided adequate accommodation under the Immigration Rules because only 2 people are permitted to sleep in the property without it being overcrowded whereas 2.5 people wish to sleep there.

Example B The sponsor rents a one bedroom flat with a living room. There are two rooms available for sleeping. His wife wishes to join him in the UK. The housing is not overcrowded as up to 3 people are permitted to sleep at the property without it being overcrowded.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nnex_F.pdf

Thank you so much Seagul

looking at Example B:
The sponsor rents a one bedroom flat with a living room. There are two rooms available for sleeping. His wife wishes to join him in the UK. The housing is not overcrowded as up to 3 people are permitted to sleep at the property without it being overcrowded.

Does that mean a one bedroom apartment where ( one bedroom + a living room ) could be adequate for a couple and a child then?

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:04 am

Thank you so much Seagul

looking at Example B:
The sponsor rents a one bedroom flat with a living room. There are two rooms available for sleeping. His wife wishes to join him in the UK. The housing is not overcrowded as up to 3 people are permitted to sleep at the property without it being overcrowded.

Does that mean a one bedroom apartment where ( one bedroom + a living room ) could be adequate for a couple and a child then?

Yes

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:04 am

Thank you so much Seagul

looking at Example B:
The sponsor rents a one bedroom flat with a living room. There are two rooms available for sleeping. His wife wishes to join him in the UK. The housing is not overcrowded as up to 3 people are permitted to sleep at the property without it being overcrowded.

Does that mean a one bedroom apartment where ( one bedroom + a living room ) could be adequate for a couple and a child then?

yes but yours one is studio flat without living room.

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:09 pm

I am living in one bedroom apartment now with ONE BED and LIVING ROOM OPEN TO THE K-ITCHEN,

@seagul According to goodlife12's post, he isn't living in a studio flat.

Casa wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:49 pm

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:09 pm

I am living in one bedroom apartment now with ONE BED and LIVING ROOM OPEN TO THE K-ITCHEN,

@seagul According to goodlife12's post, he isn't living in a studio flat.

As mentioned earlier that if that flat hasn't got separate living room excluding any kittchenn inside then it wont meet the requirement because Spam & toilets are strictly excluded from the calculations rather living rooms can be counted as sleeping rooms. As also mentioned earlier that one bedroom flat usually contains separate Spam & separate living room in contrary to studio flat where Spam is open planned gives illusion of living room.

seagul wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:00 pm

Casa wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:49 pm

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:09 pm

I am living in one bedroom apartment now with ONE BED and LIVING ROOM OPEN TO THE K-ITCHEN,

@seagul According to goodlife12's post, he isn't living in a studio flat.

As mentioned earlier that if that flat hasn't got separate living room excluding any kittchenn inside then it wont meet the requirement because Spam & toilets are strictly excluded from the calculations rather living rooms can be counted as sleeping rooms. As also mentioned earlier that one bedroom flat usually contains separate Spam & separate living room in contrary to studio flat where Spam is open planned gives illusion of living room.

Studio flat
"is a small apartment which combines living room, bedroom, and k i t c h e n into a single room."

The OP's accommodation isn't a studio flat as it includes a separate bedroom. Although the k i t c h e n space can't be included as
a sleeping area, the living space can.

Casa wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:15 pm

seagul wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:00 pm

Casa wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:49 pm

goodlife12 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:09 pm

I am living in one bedroom apartment now with ONE BED and LIVING ROOM OPEN TO THE K-ITCHEN,

@seagul According to goodlife12's post, he isn't living in a studio flat.

As mentioned earlier that if that flat hasn't got separate living room excluding any kittchenn inside then it wont meet the requirement because Spam & toilets are strictly excluded from the calculations rather living rooms can be counted as sleeping rooms. As also mentioned earlier that one bedroom flat usually contains separate Spam & separate living room in contrary to studio flat where Spam is open planned gives illusion of living room.

Studio flat
"is a small apartment which combines living room, bedroom, and k i t c h e n into a single room."

The OP's accommodation isn't a studio flat as it includes a separate bedroom. Although the k i t c h e n space can't be included as
a sleeping area, the living space can.

Let me clarify you further where you puzzles. The main bedroom is fit for two persons as couple but remaining living room which if is an extension of kittchenn without forming a room shape won't be considered. As per common sense the living room which can be counted as sleeping room will be like a room shaped instead part of kittchenn.

Assuming the living space is not less than 50 square feet it is considered adequate to sleep in.

Casa wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:50 pm

Assuming the living space is not less than 50 square feet it is considered adequate to sleep in.

But strictly kittchen is excluded in any counting.

Yes The k i t c h e n area is excluded here. The child isn't going to sleep in the k i t c h e n. THERE IS A LIVING SPACE

Fine if you choose to disregard the official guidance of a living area in excess of 50 square foot. I'll leave it to the OP to decide.

There are two methods of measuring your property and whether its overcrowded

1) The Space Standard and 2) Room standard

For the purposes of deciding on the space standard any childen under the age of 1 do not count, and those aged over one but under 10 shall count as half a unit. Any one over 10 shall count as 1 unit.



A measurement is taken from all rooms considered sleeping rooms, the maximum permitted number in each room compared to how many individuals (units) permitted based on the space standard is set out in the table below:



Room floor area : Persons permitted
110 sq. ft. to 110sq. ft. : 2
90 sq. ft. to 110 sq.ft. : 1½
70 sq. ft. to 90 sq. ft. : 1
50 sq. ft. to 70 sq. ft. : ½

Rooms which have an area of less than 50 square foot will not be considered for the purposes of this calculation


You are absolutely fine according to boht standards. You have one bedroom and one living room(assuming not less than 50 square foot) which is more than enough for couple and 9 year old child. Spam area dont count but living room count..for example studio flat also have Spam in it and if one adult or couple live in there then they count it as room ..having open Spam attach to living room dont mean that you are sleeping in Spam..you basically have( one room + Studio flat ).Just clearly mention to them that you have one bed and one living room...if you have doubt then you can get property inspection report

@ILR1980 Thank you!

To avoid any confusion....the Board auto-changes 'k i t c h e n' to the word 'spam'

Hello everyone
Many thanks for your contributions here
I am so grateful indeed

Yes what I will have is a normal one bedroom apartment not a studio flat so a good size separate bedroom, separate bathroom room, an open plan living area to the k-itchen
So according to all what I read I should be OK as far as the measurement for the living room space excluding the k-itchen area of course will be above 50 ft to accommodate the 9 years old child.

By the way;
After submitting the application and if the child turns 10 while processing then the living room will need to be no less than 70 ft or the Home Office will consider the child age at the time they receive the application which is 9 years ?

Will I need to get a floor plan approved by a specialist like a chartered surveyor firm or just submit the basic one the estate agents normally have on their adverts?