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How you entered the UK. When?

Post by taarzzan » Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:48 pm

I've been in the UK on multiple visas as follows:
Tier 4 Visa in the following years:
Sep 2015 - Aug 2016
Oct 2016 - Aug 2019
Sep 2019 - Aug 2021

Graduate visa that I applied for while in the UK:
Aug 2021 - Aug 2023

I've been with my partner since 2019 and am switching to unmarried partner visa.

Question:
How do I answer:
How you entered the UK
- I was granted temporary admission or bail at the UK border
- I entered the UK illegally
- Other (THIS)

Provide details + When did you enter the UK?:
What date am I providing for this?

Details:
I was granted a Tier 4 Student visa for x degree XX Sep 215 - June 2016, XX Oct 2016 - June 2019, state all the rest in this fashion?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by AmazonianX » Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:36 pm

taarzzan wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:48 pm
I've been in the UK on multiple visas as follows:
Tier 4 Visa in the following years:
Sep 2015 - Aug 2016
Oct 2016 - Aug 2019
Sep 2019 - Aug 2021

Graduate visa that I applied for while in the UK:
Aug 2021 - Aug 2023

I've been with my partner since 2019 and am switching to unmarried partner visa.

Question:
How do I answer:
How you entered the UK
- I was granted temporary admission or bail at the UK border
- I entered the UK illegally
- Other (THIS)

Provide details + When did you enter the UK?:
What date am I providing for this?

Details:
I was granted a Tier 4 Student visa for x degree XX Sep 215 - June 2016, XX Oct 2016 - June 2019, state all the rest in this fashion?

Thanks in advance.
State how you entered initially, other details can be provided in additional note section.

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by taarzzan » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:00 pm

Thanks. So the first ever entry in 2015 instead of the latest in 2019. Correct?

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by taarzzan » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:34 pm

AmazonianX wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:36 pm
taarzzan wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:48 pm
I've been in the UK on multiple visas as follows:
Tier 4 Visa in the following years:
Sep 2015 - Aug 2016
Oct 2016 - Aug 2019
Sep 2019 - Aug 2021

Graduate visa that I applied for while in the UK:
Aug 2021 - Aug 2023

I've been with my partner since 2019 and am switching to unmarried partner visa.

Question:
How do I answer:
How you entered the UK
- I was granted temporary admission or bail at the UK border
- I entered the UK illegally
- Other (THIS)

Provide details + When did you enter the UK?:
What date am I providing for this?

Details:
I was granted a Tier 4 Student visa for x degree XX Sep 215 - June 2016, XX Oct 2016 - June 2019, state all the rest in this fashion?

Thanks in advance.
State how you entered initially, other details can be provided in additional note section.
In relation to English level proficiency, do I need to take my degree certificate physically or upload a scanned copy online? I haven't reached that stage yet hence why I'm asking as I will need to get them posted over to me if the physical copies are required. Thanks.

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by meself2 » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:56 pm

You don't need to send anything by post - it's all uploaded online.
Not a qualified immigration adviser. Use links and references given to gain confirmation and/or extra information.

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by taarzzan » Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:03 pm

meself2 wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:56 pm
You don't need to send anything by post - it's all uploaded online.
Sorry what I meant there was my original docs are abroad and I'm in the UK. If originals are required to be taken with me to then I'd need to get them posted to me. But I've gathered that I only need to upload them online, so I need not worry about getting them posted to me.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by AmazonianX » Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:57 pm

taarzzan wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:03 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:56 pm
You don't need to send anything by post - it's all uploaded online.
Sorry what I meant there was my original docs are abroad and I'm in the UK. If originals are required to be taken with me to then I'd need to get them posted to me. But I've gathered that I only need to upload them online, so I need not worry about getting them posted to me.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
Correct, only upload them online. You attend the biometrics appointment with your Passport, you got it?

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by taarzzan » Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:25 pm

AmazonianX wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:57 pm
taarzzan wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:03 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:56 pm
You don't need to send anything by post - it's all uploaded online.
Sorry what I meant there was my original docs are abroad and I'm in the UK. If originals are required to be taken with me to then I'd need to get them posted to me. But I've gathered that I only need to upload them online, so I need not worry about getting them posted to me.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
Correct, only upload them online. You attend the biometrics appointment with your Passport, you got it?
Perfect, that makes sense. Thanks a lot.

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Re: How you entered the UK. When?

Post by taarzzan » Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:34 pm

Regarding the section :
About your home

(Background: My partner and I are common law tenants in a 5 bed property, with our landlady her husband and daughter living in the house. We have our room, Spam and bathroom, which the landlord sometimes uses at night.

Back to the questions
Enter the number of rooms in your home

Bedrooms : Do I include 5 or just the 1 that we rent?
Other rooms (not including Spam, bathrooms and toilets): they have 1 living room for themselves

Does anyone other than your partner and children live with you at the property? :
Give details of other people living at the property. Include their names, ages and their relationship to you.

Will the fact that we're renting as lodgers affect the application?

Many thanks.

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Lodger Agreement - Unmarried Partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:40 am

Hi,

My partner (settled status) and I (student then graduate visa) have been living together over 2 years,
Last 1.8 years as lodgers with an ongoing lodger agreement and 1 year before that as sole tenants in a 1bed flat.

House- 5 bed house with 2 Spam, 2 bathrooms, 1 living.
We rent 1 double bedroom, Spam and bathroom for ourselves. Householder's got a husband and adult daughter using rest of the space.

Does the landlord need to provide a proof of ID with the lodger agreement? Is any other document needed?
I've read old posts here about NOCs, inspection reports, landlord tenure. The landlord's least likely to provide these as she considers them 'private documents'.

I appreciate your help greatly. Thanks.

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Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:48 am

Hi,

My partner and I have lived together for over 2 years.

1. We are writing relationship support letters for each other and we don't know whether to be descriptive (2 pages each) or stick to evidence based story with constant references to the tenancy documents, travel documents, chats, photographs.

2. She is also my sponsor as we're relying on her income which is much greater than 18600. I have been working 9 months in the past year and have been paying rent. Shall I mention that in the support letter to show that we do share living costs? I'm submitting my bank statements to show that, but we are still relying on her income, so don't want to confuse the officer.

Please advise. Many thanks.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by AmazonianX » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:32 pm

taarzzan wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:48 am
Hi,

My partner and I have lived together for over 2 years.

1. We are writing relationship support letters for each other and we don't know whether to be descriptive (2 pages each) or stick to evidence based story with constant references to the tenancy documents, travel documents, chats, photographs. Evidence based narration on stat and progress of a subsisting relationship.

2. She is also my sponsor as we're relying on her income which is much greater than 18600. I have been working 9 months in the past year and have been paying rent. Shall I mention that in the support letter to show that we do share living costs? Yes I'm submitting my bank statements to show that, but we are still relying on her income, so don't want to confuse the officer. For clarity, you have the support letter in 1. above to include it in.

Please advise. Many thanks.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:13 pm

AmazonianX wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:32 pm
taarzzan wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:48 am
Hi,

My partner and I have lived together for over 2 years.

1. We are writing relationship support letters for each other and we don't know whether to be descriptive (2 pages each) or stick to evidence based story with constant references to the tenancy documents, travel documents, chats, photographs. Evidence based narration on stat and progress of a subsisting relationship.

2. She is also my sponsor as we're relying on her income which is much greater than 18600. I have been working 9 months in the past year and have been paying rent. Shall I mention that in the support letter to show that we do share living costs? Yes I'm submitting my bank statements to show that, but we are still relying on her income, so don't want to confuse the officer. For clarity, you have the support letter in 1. above to include it in.

Please advise. Many thanks.
Thank you for the response.

Are you by any chance able to answer my question titled 'Lodger agreement - Unmarried Partner Visa?

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by AmazonianX » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:44 pm

In order not to give wrong or incomplete response, I leave it to those with better knowledge on that aspect to respond.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:56 pm

I'm new here, how does this forum work. I haven't received a reply to some queries in days and sometimes I get them within the hour?

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by AmazonianX » Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:17 pm

taarzzan wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:56 pm
I'm new here, how does this forum work. I haven't received a reply to some queries in days and sometimes I get them within the hour?
The forum is an unpaid platform where knowledge, experience and opinions on immigration matters are shared towards proferring solutions to member's queries.
Replies to questions happen when someone or people with the knowledge and experience come across it and respond; moderators and forum members alike.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by Frontier Mole » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:00 pm

Is the rental part of the house you live in separate from the rest of the house. From what you have written the suggestion is that is not the case. If that is the case then that may pose additional questions for the caseworker. Assuming there are no other tenants then that should not create a massive issue. If there are additional tenants or different families in the property then the house would fall under HMO regulations and that is a whole different ball game.

Other issues - I assume you don’t have separate utilities from your landlord? That will make it more difficult to prove cohabitation. Do you have a joint bank account?

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:30 pm

Frontier Mole wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:00 pm
Is the rental part of the house you live in separate from the rest of the house. From what you have written the suggestion is that is not the case. If that is the case then that may pose additional questions for the caseworker. Assuming there are no other tenants then that should not create a massive issue. If there are additional tenants or different families in the property then the house would fall under HMO regulations and that is a whole different ball game.

Other issues - I assume you don’t have separate utilities from your landlord? That will make it more difficult to prove cohabitation. Do you have a joint bank account?
Our kit chen and bathroom are separate by the first stair landing. Our double bedroom and 3 other bedrooms are on the first floor, their adult daughter occupies one. A kit chen, living, bathroom and 1 bedroom upstairs for the homeowner elderly couple. That's it really.

We have a lodger agreement with both our names from the landlady stating all the spaces and bills included in our rent. I've asked her for a letter to state that we've been living here during the time period specified and prompt rent payments have been sent. I can get her to add to this letter that it's only her family who lives in the house and that we're the only lodgers. Does this help much?

We travelled together recently and have tickets and photos to show.

PS: we rented a 1bed flat for 11 months before we moved here as lodgers 1.8 years ago. Do any of these help? Thanks

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by Frontier Mole » Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:46 pm

The caseworker looks at a range of points to assess that you are in a relationship akin to marriage for two years. This broadly breaks down to

Accommodation - are you are able to demonstrate a continuous period of two years where you have shared the same accommodation. From your information you would appear to be able to demonstrate that. This assumes both names were on the previous lease for the flat and on the current lodger agreement.

Financial - are you able to demonstrate joint finances, such as both names on utility bills, council tax, joint bank account, joint loans or financial commitments. I see this being the area you may have some difficulty. The lodger agreement will cover bills so you are probably not in a position to demonstrate utility or council tax bills. That leaves joint banking - do you have a joint bank accounts?

Family life - if you have children together that is pretty much a box ticked. As you do not have children then this is a harder point to prove. Pictures and text, WhatsApp social media help to a degree but the digital world evidence is not given a lot of weight. Do you have joint membership of any organisation, clubs or even a cinema membership, things that can independently identify you as functioning as a couple. Other things like have you ever visited your doctor as a couple? If you have a car are you jointly insured? This far from an exhaustive list, but I hope you get the idea.

The evidence and information is looked at in the round and if it meets the balance of probability threshold it will be granted. It is not an uncommon visa route and is well understood.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:25 pm

Frontier Mole wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:46 pm
The caseworker looks at a range of points to assess that you are in a relationship akin to marriage for two years. This broadly breaks down to

Accommodation - are you are able to demonstrate a continuous period of two years where you have shared the same accommodation. From your information you would appear to be able to demonstrate that. This assumes both names were on the previous lease for the flat and on the current lodger agreement.

Financial - are you able to demonstrate joint finances, such as both names on utility bills, council tax, joint bank account, joint loans or financial commitments. I see this being the area you may have some difficulty. The lodger agreement will cover bills so you are probably not in a position to demonstrate utility or council tax bills. That leaves joint banking - do you have a joint bank accounts?

Family life - if you have children together that is pretty much a box ticked. As you do not have children then this is a harder point to prove. Pictures and text, WhatsApp social media help to a degree but the digital world evidence is not given a lot of weight. Do you have joint membership of any organisation, clubs or even a cinema membership, things that can independently identify you as functioning as a couple. Other things like have you ever visited your doctor as a couple? If you have a car are you jointly insured? This far from an exhaustive list, but I hope you get the idea.

The evidence and information is looked at in the round and if it meets the balance of probability threshold it will be granted. It is not an uncommon visa route and is well understood.
Firstly, thanks for the clear response.

To your point about Accommodation- Yes the previous tenancy was under both our names.

To your point about Financials (also accomm.)
1a. We're writing a covering letter attaching an email from then landlord (2.8 years ago) who complemented us as a couple and trusted us to reduce our deposit from 1000's to 100's after we'd paid it.
He's also writing a support reference letter for us. We both shared rent (both names) and bills (my name) which went through my account to track it all in one place. (Referring to our lack of knowledge about joint acc's then in the cover letter)

1b.Have a council tax letter with both our names from a month when my student status finished.


2. Her ex-landlord who's also become our friend through the years is providing us a support letter, highlighting her hosting us for Xmas dinner at the beginning of the relationship (3.7 years ago), before cohabiting.
A friend of mine is also writing us one as he's met us both and can attest that we've been living here. we are showing photos of us 3 going out together along with this.


3. my Partner paid for both our rent (11 mths) at current address until I found a job last year. I then started contributing 55% to rent and she's doing 45%. Referring to this through bank statements. Although we're not using my (terminated) employment as evidence of financial subsistence, only hers its quite a bit more than required.


To your point on Family life:
No kids, met her mum recently, did a day trip nationally. Screenshots of us chatting with her fam during Christmas / easter/ bdays.
We both travelled internationally recently and met my friends overseas, showing tickets and photos of that.

We visited our respective families twice last year, have video chat screenshots of us two from then.

What probability do these point to?

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:25 pm

Frontier Mole wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:46 pm
The caseworker looks at a range of points to assess that you are in a relationship akin to marriage for two years. This broadly breaks down to

Accommodation - are you are able to demonstrate a continuous period of two years where you have shared the same accommodation. From your information you would appear to be able to demonstrate that. This assumes both names were on the previous lease for the flat and on the current lodger agreement.

Financial - are you able to demonstrate joint finances, such as both names on utility bills, council tax, joint bank account, joint loans or financial commitments. I see this being the area you may have some difficulty. The lodger agreement will cover bills so you are probably not in a position to demonstrate utility or council tax bills. That leaves joint banking - do you have a joint bank accounts?

Family life - if you have children together that is pretty much a box ticked. As you do not have children then this is a harder point to prove. Pictures and text, WhatsApp social media help to a degree but the digital world evidence is not given a lot of weight. Do you have joint membership of any organisation, clubs or even a cinema membership, things that can independently identify you as functioning as a couple. Other things like have you ever visited your doctor as a couple? If you have a car are you jointly insured? This far from an exhaustive list, but I hope you get the idea.

The evidence and information is looked at in the round and if it meets the balance of probability threshold it will be granted. It is not an uncommon visa route and is well understood.
Firstly, thanks for the clear response.

To your point about Accommodation- Yes the previous tenancy was under both our names.

To your point about Financials (also accomm.)
1a. We're writing a covering letter attaching an email from then landlord (2.8 years ago) who complemented us as a couple and trusted us to reduce our deposit from 1000's to 100's after we'd paid it.
He's also writing a support reference letter for us. We both shared rent (both names) and bills (my name) which went through my account to track it all in one place. (Referring to our lack of knowledge about joint acc's then in the cover letter)

1b.Have a council tax letter with both our names from a month when my student status finished.


2. Her ex-landlord who's also become our friend through the years is providing us a support letter, highlighting her hosting us for Xmas dinner at the beginning of the relationship (3.7 years ago), before cohabiting.
A friend of mine is also writing us one as he's met us both and can attest that we've been living here. we are showing photos of us 3 going out together along with this.


3. my Partner paid for both our rent (11 mths) at current address until I found a job last year. I then started contributing 55% to rent and she's doing 45%. Referring to this through bank statements. Although we're not using my (terminated) employment as evidence of financial subsistence, only hers its quite a bit more than required.


To your point on Family life:
No kids, met her mum recently, did a day trip nationally. Screenshots of us chatting with her fam during Christmas / easter/ bdays.
We both travelled internationally recently and met my friends overseas, showing tickets and photos of that.

We visited our respective families twice last year, have video chat screenshots of us two from then.

What probability do these point to?

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by AmazonianX » Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:41 pm

Support letter from family and friends don't count much for proving relationship.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:55 pm

PS: All the previous thing mentioned are in addition to the following evidence for cohabitation:

Joint - 1 tenancy (11months), 1 council tax bill and 1 lodger contract (1.8 years)

Individual: 5 each of bank statements, nhs letter, council tax bill, utility bill, payslips, hmrc letters, p60's, p45's, mobile phone bills, electoral roll invite.

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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by CR001 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:49 pm

taarzzan wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:55 pm
PS: All the previous thing mentioned are in addition to the following evidence for cohabitation:
You do NOT require all sorts of photos for applications within the UK. Any reference or support letters your provide, will simply be ignored. Anyone can write anything you want and they are therefore unverifiable.

Submitting excessive unnecessary documents is never a good idea. Stick to what is required.
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Re: Relationship support letter - Unmarried partner Visa

Post by taarzzan » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:41 pm

Thank you for your input. I appreciate the honesty.

A solicitor I consulted to confirm our eligibility suggested that we provide 15-30 photos from the beginning of the relationship to now and get 2 support letters from friends, family.

Objectively, do the documents I referred to in the previous post (Joint and Individual) make a case?
Taking your feedback into consideration shall we then include a separate pdf highlighting on relevant bank statements how we divide our big grocery bills, dinners? That's the only one I can point at except the tenancy and lodger agreement.

Does her paying for both of us for a whole year not show her commitment? In CWs' official opinion?

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