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It's a grey area. However others on this forum have commented that the Irish authorities are extremely slow in processing applications, unless your husband can get an Irish visa before leaving the U.S. that allows him to work, access healthcare etc then you should consider your options before taking any significant steps.morsan wrote:So I know that it's possible for us to move to any Eu country, but I'm not sure what kind of financial requirements there are for actually being permitted an entry "visa". Do I, as a EU member, need to show some sort of proof of employment in order for my husband and child to get an entry permit? If so, does that mean that I need to find employment before my husband can join me? Do I need to show that I can support my family financially even though my husband would find work as soon as possible once in Ireland? When I immigrated to the US, my husband had to prove that he made at or above poverty level for me to be granted residence. Is it the same in the EU/Ireland? Or is the minimum higher than poverty level. We're not poor but we're by no means well off.
Anyone has been in the same situation?
Thanks.
You could think about Northern Ireland, where you can live on the island of Ireland but benefit from simpler British immigration and nationality laws.morsan wrote:Yes, the UK is a definite option. Ireland seems more luring to me at the moment though. But we have at least a year to figure everything out.
The residence requirement is three years, not five, if you are married to a U.S. citizen (and have been married for more than 3 years).Yes, it would be nice to have US citizenship before taking off. I entered in 98 but went away less than five years later, spent 7 months in Sweden and lost my "spot" (gone 1 month too long) in the citizenship "queu". So, I have another two years to go. Don't know if I can wait that long. I don't really like the US at all.
Can't comment, sorry. Others on this forum with more knowledge of the Republic of Ireland visa process may be able to give details. Although you will not find as many people interested in living in the Republic of Ireland compared to the United Kingdom, so you may not get any response.About securing a visa for husband of mine--are you saying that it would be slow only if he were to apply IN Ireland (but not slow if he applied while still in the States)? I thought it was supposed to be real easy and quick for family members of EU nationals (but apparently more difficult for families of citizens of the particular country--at least so it seemed in the UK). For example, an application is free of charge for EU nationals and families, but not for citizens families.
I really would like to know all of this ahead of time--I don't like unpleasant surprises....
No change in the law. Visit http://www.cis.gov and see the rules for yourself.morsan wrote:Only three years? really? I called and asked, and they told me I had to wait 4 years and 1 day from the day I re-entered. This was in the spring of 2004. Is it possible that the laws have changed since?
I don't know how the Republic of Ireland authorities tolerate homeschooling, but they may well insist you be in a position to teach your children the Irish language. The laws on this in the Republic of Ireland are very strict.Don't think I would feel comfortable in N. Ireland, nor am I particularly lured by that area either (we're interested in Galway area mostly). We're not concerned with Irish education since we're homeschoolers. But if Irish authorities are difficult dealing with, I rather choose Scotland.
Josefina.
Roman-Catholic Schools479. All Primary and Post-Primary pupils are required to study Irish unless they are specifically exempted from doing so by the conditions of exemption drawn up by the Department, which are mainly concerned with pupils who have been partly educated abroad before enroling in a school in Ireland and pupils with particular learning disabilities.
Not to justify what went on in the past but this is something of an over-exaggeration ...scrudu wrote: Roman-Catholic Schools
It is indeed true that the majority of schools in Ireland are RC based. This is historic really, as Catholicism was banned during English rule
Not the experience of many Irish citizens:Religious eduction is confined to Religious classes, and does not permeate the curriculum of other subjects.
I don't want to get into a political debate, but I have to disagree. And I do believe that only through understanding Irish History can one put into context the modern day situation. You can read about the Penal Laws introduced during English rule at a number of sources, including:JAJ wrote:Not to justify what went on in the past but this is something of an over-exaggeration ...scrudu wrote: Roman-Catholic Schools
It is indeed true that the majority of schools in Ireland are RC based. This is historic really, as Catholicism was banned during English rule
or from 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws_(Ireland)Some stipulations declared by these Penal Laws were:
* A Catholic was forbidden to receive education.
* A Catholic was forbidden to keep arms.
* A Catholic was forbidden to own a horse of greater value than five pounds.
The influence of King William III surfaced after his death in 1702. His successor, Queen Ann, rapidly passed the most controversial discriminating act, the Act to Prevent the Further Growth of Popery, as crowning touch in 1705. The most striking additions to the Penal Laws made by this Act were:
* A Catholic was forbidden to enter a profession.
* A Catholic was forbidden to hold public office.
* A Catholic was forbidden to engage in trade or commerce.
* A Catholic was forbidden to live in a corporate town or within five miles thereof.
* A Catholic was forbidden to purchase or to lease land.
* A Catholic was forbidden buy land.
* A Catholic was forbidden to vote.
* A Catholic was forbidden to hold a life annuity.
* A Catholic could not be guardian to a child.
* A Catholic could not attend Catholic worship.
* A Catholic could not himself educate his child.
It was by Acts of this Westminster Parliament that the Cromwellian settlement was carried out, and that so many Catholics were outlawed. As for ecclesiastics, no mercy was shown them under Cromwellian rule. They were ordered to leave Ireland, and put to death if they refused, or deported to the Arran Isles or to Barbadoes, and those who sheltered them at home were liable to the penalty of death. To such an extent was the persecution carried that the Catholic churches were soon in ruins, a thousand priests were driven into exile
Religious eduction is confined to Religious classes, and does not permeate the curriculum of other subjects.
I am no expert on the laws involved in the running of schools in Ireland, but from my personal experience having attended RC primary and secondary schools, I can say that Religious instruction was 100% confined to Religion class during Secondary school. Protestant pupils had the option of leaving the class during RC instruction, but many chose to participate nonetheless. In primary school, again religion was kept to religion time, but as training for First Communion and Confirmation are done through the schools rather than by the church, it does mean that during 1st and 6th classes, extra time is given to RC education. This is indeed an issue for non-RC students, as depending on the school, they usually have to do other work during this time.JAJ wrote:Not the experience of many Irish citizens:
http://www.educatetogether.ie/reference ... t_013.html
About Process 2:scrudu wrote:
Work Permit/Auth/Visa for spouse of EU National in Ireland
If you read other posts in this forum you will see details of this. There is a lot of uncertainty on how this works, but here is a brief overview.
Process 1
Apply via form EU_1 to Dept of Justice, wait six months, get work auth
Process 2
Go to GNIB and have them grant your spouse a residence permit with work auth. As your spouse is not from a "visa-required" country, I imagine he will get away with this one.
Is it correct to conclude from this that there is no way to get a spouse or EEA visa (with work rights attached) before leaving home country? What kind of immigration system is that?Platinum wrote: Also, I've been reading on here that the Justice Department is now taking longer than the legal six month limit to process EU1 applications, which means no work for the non-EU spouse for at least six months. I would make sure the EU spouse either already has work lined up, or you have enough savings to convince the immigration people that you can set up house here without resorting to social services.
JAJ, the Irish are notorious for taking ages for processing applications for EEA Family Permits. They seem to operate on the policy that the 6-month maximum allowed under EU regulations for dealing with applications also includes a rule that they cannot possibly take less than 5 months 3 weeks!JAJ wrote:Is it correct to conclude from this that there is no way to get a spouse or EEA visa (with work rights attached) before leaving home country? What kind of immigration system is that?
What makes it worse is that it's not (apparently) possible to get any kind of permit or visa allowing work rights before leaving home country. Not everyone can afford to be out of the workforce for 6 months.John wrote: JAJ, the Irish are notorious for taking ages for processing applications for EEA Family Permits. They seem to operate on the policy that the 6-month maximum allowed under EU regulations for dealing with applications also includes a rule that they cannot possibly take less than 5 months 3 weeks!
Absolutely not acceptable in my opinion.
You mean the Irish are issuing no EEA Family Permits? (Which by definition are always issued outside of the country doing the issuing.)What makes it worse is that it's not (apparently) possible to get any kind of permit or visa allowing work rights before leaving home country. Not everyone can afford to be out of the workforce for 6 months.
How do other EU countries (e.g. UK) handle this? Do they allow applications from outside the country for entry on the basis of marriage to EU spouse via the EU1 form?Application and transitional provisions
(2) These Regulations shall not apply to a family member unless the family member is lawfully resident in another Member State and is -
(a) seeking to enter the State in the company of a Union citizen in respect of whom he or she is a family member, or
(b) seeking to join a Union citizen, in respect of whom he or she is a family member, who is lawfully present in the State.
-- regarding non-EU spouses who wish to enter Ireland on the basis of their marriage to an EU citizen (visa required)Permission for permitted family members of Union citizens to enter the State
5. (1) A person who wishes to enter the State on the basis that he or she is a permitted family member of a Union citizen may be required to produce to the Minister -
(a) (i) where the person is a Union citizen, a valid passport or national identity card, or
(ii) where the person is not a national of a Member State, a valid passport, (b) documentary evidence from the relevant authority in the country of origin or country from which he or she is arriving certifying that he or she is a dependant, or a member of the household, of the Union citizen,
(3) (a) A qualifying family member, who is a member of a class of non-nationals not specified in an order made under section 17 of the Immigration Act 2004 (No. 1 of 2004) as not requiring an Irish visa, shall be in possession of a valid Irish visa as a condition to being granted permission to enter the State.
(b) The Minister shall, on the basis of an accelerated process, consider an application for an Irish visa from a qualifying family member referred to in subparagraph (a) as soon as possible