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by dr_cox
Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:34 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Dear all, thank you for everyone's input so far and bearing with us. The new idea of OrlandoAlbert804 was great as well but probably / hopefully not necessary. Unless we can use it to We received the national archive copy and it clearly says that this was a registration certificate of my father in ...
by dr_cox
Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Dear All, the old passports only mentioned the right to abode that my father in law had at the time. The national archives apparently found his document under the following sections: HO 334 - Home Office: Immigration and Nationality Department: Duplicate Certificates of Naturalisation, Declarations ...
by dr_cox
Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:47 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

We have first tried to find a registration / naturalisation certificate in his old things. No joy so far. I was asking as I was hoping that between my wife‘s letter from HO and her father having a passport predating her birth from 1975 could be used to infer that she could only have become a citizen ...
by dr_cox
Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:20 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Hi team,

Any further thoughts on my wife‘s father being born in pakistan in 1941 which at that time was british india?
by dr_cox
Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:18 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Dear All, the national archive documents online do not match with my father in law as issued after he had already had his passport. Will have to phone them if the original cannot be found but there might still be hope. He definitely did not have any relatives he could have derived his citizenship ...
by dr_cox
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Ok. Step one is completed. There is a british passport of the father valid at time of my wife’s birth. It states he was a “british subject, citizen of the united kingdom and colonies”

Is that the same as having British nationality at that time?
by dr_cox
Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:30 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Thanks. This gives me something to work with. I’m almost certain that her father is otherwise than by descent as he has no british ancestors and was born abroad. But now we need to prove that. What is madness is that we need the parents amrriage certificate as well? Probably the original to make m ...
by dr_cox
Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:51 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

addendum: I reread section 3 and understand now that her father‘s status is relevant. sorry. my oversight. Either her father (because at that time only the father could pass on CUKC status to children born outside the UK) was registered as a British citizen in the UK before her birth, OR, she was r ...
by dr_cox
Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:29 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

@secret.simon thanks for that. since the family dynamics are complicated I am not sure if we will be able to get hold of her deceased father‘s certificate. I thought she could register her children as british irrespective of her father‘s status if she lived here long enough. what am I missing? which ...
by dr_cox
Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:24 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Dear Vinny, Dear secret.simon, thank you very much for your extensive input. I can follow your explanations and realize that 11(1) does not spell out the descent status. Thanks for pointing out the national archive to us. Will check this. regarding your questions: 1) I was under the impression from ...
by dr_cox
Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:10 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Bus driver in permanent employment.
by dr_cox
Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:07 pm
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

as an addendum: the document reads: "with reference to the application for the registration your daughter ........., I am directed by the secreteary of state to say that nationality is a matter of law....... . Nevertheless, on the basis of the information and documentary evidence you have furnished ...
by dr_cox
Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:56 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

I understand that. Her father sadly passed away some time ago, so we worked under the assumption that he was pakistani national who worked in the UK from the 60s the he would have had settled status. As my wife then moved to the UK at 2months age she would have lived in the UK more than 5 years in ...
by dr_cox
Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:36 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

Re: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Hi Vinny, thanks for that. Even though this is complicated, from reading the guidance you referenced I don't think my wife meets the "by descent" criteria and would therefore be "otherwise than by descent". But it is quite a complicated read. I've found this guidance on gov.uk https://www.gov.uk ...
by dr_cox
Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:52 am
Forum: British Citizenship
Topic: section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt
Replies: 31
Views: 4987
Germany

section 11(1) of BNA 1981 - British otherwise than by descenbt

Dear All, I have read and learned a lot from these pages and perused most available government sites and caseworker guidance as well as the original legislative texts. My wife was born in Pakistan before 1981 to two pakistani nationals (father however lived and worked in the UK at that time and some ...