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I guess...if you cannot prove (now) that you have ILR or PR or settled status, and, therefore, if you are on some sort of visa, then you should be classified as an International Student because you do not have 'settled' status, and, regardless of your past student status, your asylum case has been exhausted and thus your current situation is different. Therefore, to me, you should be classed as an International student as you are not "ordinarily resident" with "settled" status.eliasuk4u wrote:I got another question regarding this university fees.
I was an asylum seeker (Claimed in 1999) but obviously rejected after several years (Say about 5 years) during this period I studied my degree and eventually graduated by paying home fees now I am on Further leave to remain and want to study my MA, so what should I expect? Home fees becuase I am legally in the country since 2007 jan, Or overseas for the same reason?
We are paying international fees I'm afraid it's something you have to take on the chin. If you don't like it then why not send them to study abroad? I know my daughter is off to Germany to study purely cos it's cheaper.Kalugampitiya wrote:Dear Sakura,
Could you Pl tell me which university allow this way? My children are dependents of mine i am work permit holder. i have heard another story form several universities around London. Because they have set budget. My situation is very different because two of them same international fee status and 5 years we are going to end up with £200,000. End of the day wreath it but. We both are full taxpayers and no any benefit claming.
Would be appreciated any advice.
She/he is obviously working here and trying to get a better education for the young ones. If you could save you would try to save. And she's just finding out ways. Surely they are entitled to as now they would be citizens of this country. It's the matter of whether the uni can be a bit more flexible in their cases. Her kids have already started uni (2 years to be exact). Not everyone wants to study in Germany. It's cheaper but it takes longer and most of all, if you don't already speak german its gonna be tough. How can be be so sure that the uni will not make reasonable exceptions to the rule?!Wanderer wrote:We are paying international fees I'm afraid it's something you have to take on the chin. If you don't like it then why not send them to study abroad? I know my daughter is off to Germany to study purely cos it's cheaper.Kalugampitiya wrote:Dear Sakura,
Could you Pl tell me which university allow this way? My children are dependents of mine i am work permit holder. i have heard another story form several universities around London. Because they have set budget. My situation is very different because two of them same international fee status and 5 years we are going to end up with £200,000. End of the day wreath it but. We both are full taxpayers and no any benefit claming.
Would be appreciated any advice.
Sometimes you have to realise there are some things you just can't have.
Huh, aren't you working here already? After 5 years you can get ILR, so can your children. But do they have to be residents in the UK?Kalugampitiya wrote:i was thinking to do this. but then they will loose their PR in this country. My solicitor also adviced this they are not with qualify period here
Look, the rules are the rules, if the OP gets round them well good for them. I know my uni are totally inflexible on this, as most are, from my direct experience, but good luck to OP if they swing it.sunnyday wrote:She/he is obviously working here and trying to get a better education for the young ones. If you could save you would try to save. And she's just finding out ways. Surely they are entitled to as now they would be citizens of this country. It's the matter of whether the uni can be a bit more flexible in their cases. Her kids have already started uni (2 years to be exact). Not everyone wants to study in Germany. It's cheaper but it takes longer and most of all, if you don't already speak german its gonna be tough. How can be be so sure that the uni will not make reasonable exceptions to the rule?!Wanderer wrote:We are paying international fees I'm afraid it's something you have to take on the chin. If you don't like it then why not send them to study abroad? I know my daughter is off to Germany to study purely cos it's cheaper.Kalugampitiya wrote:Dear Sakura,
Could you Pl tell me which university allow this way? My children are dependents of mine i am work permit holder. i have heard another story form several universities around London. Because they have set budget. My situation is very different because two of them same international fee status and 5 years we are going to end up with £200,000. End of the day wreath it but. We both are full taxpayers and no any benefit claming.
Would be appreciated any advice.
Sometimes you have to realise there are some things you just can't have.
25 posts out 687?Kalugampitiya wrote:Wanderer. Should be extending your help to the OP rather than criticising ?
I am requesting help and advices.
Wanderer ..I have researched 25 posted from you
All of them are criticising rather than helping
What is your university? Would like to know.
don't feel inclined to help someone who can't be bovvered to drag herself out of it.
Sorry
When they have ILR or "settled status", as they say, then they are entitled to Home fees. It's as simple as that (well, let's forget about asylum/refugees, ELR, etc for now and concentrate on their situation). There is nothing you or they or anyone can do about it. Until they have "settled status", they are not entitled to any reduction in fees, any student loans - none of it. It isn't unfair or anything - they are still visa nationals, and that is the rule. What they could have done was taken a gap year (even for the youngest of the two) to give them some relief from having to pay too much in one go. Universities, in these cases, do not have to be "flexible" - rules are rules; if you cannot afford it, that is only unfortunate rather than unfair.sunnyday wrote: She/he is obviously working here and trying to get a better education for the young ones. If you could save you would try to save. And she's just finding out ways. Surely they are entitled to as now they would be citizens of this country. It's the matter of whether the uni can be a bit more flexible in their cases. Her kids have already started uni (2 years to be exact). Not everyone wants to study in Germany. It's cheaper but it takes longer and most of all, if you don't already speak german its gonna be tough. How can be be so sure that the uni will not make reasonable exceptions to the rule?!
You just need to ask the university what their rules are on this matter. All colleges and universities would obviously have experienced this before so would have some sort of criteria. You probably won't have to switch universities or anything. If you are not sure maybe go to UKCOSA and maybe ask them. Here's the link: http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/ (now I don't purport to be a qualified specialist in this matter, so it is best to get official advice from those qualified in these situations.).Kalugampitiya wrote:Dear Sakura,
Could you Pl tell me which university allow this way? My children are dependents of mine i am work permit holder. i have heard another story form several universities around London. Because they have set budget. My situation is very different because two of them same international fee status and 5 years we are going to end up with £200,000. End of the day wreath it but. We both are full taxpayers and no any benefit claming.
Would be appreciated any advice.
Look what? The rule clearly says anyone with settled status is eligible to be paying home fee. Her kids aren't studying at the same uni as you and every case is different. Just because you aren't allowed to pay home fee doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't.Wanderer wrote:Look, the rules are the rules, if the OP gets round them well good for them. I know my uni are totally inflexible on this, as most are, from my direct experience, but good luck to OP if they swing it.sunnyday wrote:She/he is obviously working here and trying to get a better education for the young ones. If you could save you would try to save. And she's just finding out ways. Surely they are entitled to as now they would be citizens of this country. It's the matter of whether the uni can be a bit more flexible in their cases. Her kids have already started uni (2 years to be exact). Not everyone wants to study in Germany. It's cheaper but it takes longer and most of all, if you don't already speak german its gonna be tough. How can be be so sure that the uni will not make reasonable exceptions to the rule?!Wanderer wrote:We are paying international fees I'm afraid it's something you have to take on the chin. If you don't like it then why not send them to study abroad? I know my daughter is off to Germany to study purely cos it's cheaper.Kalugampitiya wrote:Dear Sakura,
Could you Pl tell me which university allow this way? My children are dependents of mine i am work permit holder. i have heard another story form several universities around London. Because they have set budget. My situation is very different because two of them same international fee status and 5 years we are going to end up with £200,000. End of the day wreath it but. We both are full taxpayers and no any benefit claming.
Would be appreciated any advice.
Sometimes you have to realise there are some things you just can't have.
Education in the UK is a business not a charity nowadays, they want the stone as well as the blood.....
But, I'm a grumpy old bastard at 46.........
Is that me? hurumph, not fair! to be honest I wish the OP well, get whatever u can but I prefer to prepare people for the inevitable slap in the face you get whenever politics/education/immigration becomes 'a way of making money' as per the UK these days....sunnyday wrote:Don't bother trying with that old bloke. As long as it's not his problem, be prepared to have sarcastic remarks thrown at your face.
Three years settled at the start of the course is how I read it but I could be wrong on account of I've been on the beer tonight to celebrate St Cuthbert's Day, very important here in Sowerby Bridge, where some people actually have a car.sunnyday wrote:Look what? The rule clearly says anyone with settled status is eligible to be paying home fee. Her kids aren't studying at the same uni as you and every case is different. Just because you aren't allowed to pay home fee doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't.Wanderer wrote:Look, the rules are the rules, if the OP gets round them well good for them. I know my uni are totally inflexible on this, as most are, from my direct experience, but good luck to OP if they swing it.sunnyday wrote:She/he is obviously working here and trying to get a better education for the young ones. If you could save you would try to save. And she's just finding out ways. Surely they are entitled to as now they would be citizens of this country. It's the matter of whether the uni can be a bit more flexible in their cases. Her kids have already started uni (2 years to be exact). Not everyone wants to study in Germany. It's cheaper but it takes longer and most of all, if you don't already speak german its gonna be tough. How can be be so sure that the uni will not make reasonable exceptions to the rule?!Wanderer wrote:
We are paying international fees I'm afraid it's something you have to take on the chin. If you don't like it then why not send them to study abroad? I know my daughter is off to Germany to study purely cos it's cheaper.
Sometimes you have to realise there are some things you just can't have.
Education in the UK is a business not a charity nowadays, they want the stone as well as the blood.....
But, I'm a grumpy old bastard at 46.........
So how come as an asylum seeker, the university classify me as an home student? even though i wasn't actually settled??? but as an spouse visa, Obviously I am going to settle?? Its very confusing and unfair.guess...if you cannot prove (now) that you have ILR or PR or settled status, and, therefore, if you are on some sort of visa, then you should be classified as an International Student because you do not have 'settled' status, and, regardless of your past student status, your asylum case has been exhausted and thus your current situation is different. Therefore, to me, you should be classed as an International student as you are not "ordinarily resident" with "settled" status.
Sunnyday, you are confusing me. Yes the OP knows about the fees...so what is your question, or comment, about? You wrote:sunnyday wrote:Sakura, the OP knows that the international fee will not change before they have ILR. But she's asking to pay home fee after becoming UK citizens, which is fairly reasonable. I know in the end of the day all will depend on the university fee policy. But unless the university admitted the students solely for profit making purposes, why shouldn't they be paying home fee now that they have settled here?!
To the OP, I suggest you ring around a couple of unis try to find out their views on this matter. Perhaps the students could make a transfer, though I'm not sure if there is any uni willing to take students half way through their degrees. Don't bother trying with that old bloke. As long as it's not his problem, be prepared to have sarcastic remarks thrown at your face.
But they are not now settled!!! They do not have permanenet status, do they? Settled = ILR/PR or refugee status! Not just having lived here x years and feel that it is home! If you don't have ILR you are not settled. So, right now, they are NOT SETTLED, so are rightly charged International fees. That was my point before.But unless the university admitted the students solely for profit making purposes, why shouldn't they be paying home fee now that they have settled here?!
So let's not confuse "settled" simply with "being in the UK". They actually write "present and settled", which means, effectively, "present in the UK with no time limit on one's stay".'Settled' means being ordinarily resident in the UK without any immigration restriction on the length of your stay in the UK. The fees regulations refer to immigration law for the definition of ‘settled’. To be
'settled' you must either have the Right of Abode or Indefinite Leave to Enter or Remain in the UK or have the right of permanent residence in the UK under EC law.
.You mean DfES. I cannot find anything there either, but look here (PDF file): http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/images/tuitionfees_ewn.pdfKalugampitiya wrote:Dear Sakura, Sunnyday & Wanderer,
Thank you very much for your all advices and suggestions.
I have gone through the UCAS,
Write to 15 universities before they admitted
In here I wonted to collect group of ideas and advices. I thought it would be better to have some
Just one thing: would you please refer me if you could: the link of DfEE where this rule is placed. I have been searching all over the Dfee web haven’t found this “Starting Fee States remain unchanged through the course “ if they got the PR - rule
Places I have found this from Universities. I heard one university allowed change this after two years for same situation. Unfortunately it is not ours.
Dear Jone, would you be able to drop your idea for me please on this post?
Again thank you very much for your ideas and advices
