How do we know that we are banned for applying again?

wonderer111 · Post by **wonderer111** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:36 pm

I have heard that according to uk law, submission of false or forged document can result in the banning of applicants for around 10 yrs.
How will the applicant know that they have been banned?
Will that be on the passport?

UKBAbble · Post by **UKBAbble** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:35 pm

It'll be made clear on the refusal notice.

wonderer111 · Post by **wonderer111** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:58 am

UKBAbble wrote:It'll be made clear on the refusal notice.

Oh..!!!
So, that means he or she will not be given the right to appeal.

Rozen · Post by **Rozen** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:17 am

wonderer111 wrote:
UKBAbble wrote:It'll be made clear on the refusal notice.
Oh..!!!
So, that means he or she will not be given the right to appeal.

That means the refusal notice will also make it clear as to whether one can appeal, or not!

wonderer111 · Post by **wonderer111** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:57 am

Rozen wrote:
wonderer111 wrote:
UKBAbble wrote:It'll be made clear on the refusal notice.
Oh..!!!
So, that means he or she will not be given the right to appeal.
That means the refusal notice will also make it clear as to whether one can appeal, or not!

If that person is given the right to appeal that means that person isn't banned.. right?

UKBAbble · Post by **UKBAbble** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:52 pm

wonderer111 wrote: If that person is given the right to appeal that means that person isn't banned.. right?

No. They might be banned or not. That has nothing to do with ROA.

wonderer111 · Post by **wonderer111** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:03 pm

UKBAbble wrote:
wonderer111 wrote: If that person is given the right to appeal that means that person isn't banned.. right?
No. They might be banned or not. That has nothing to do with ROA.

If a person is banned and if that person submits their application again then will their be application be processed again?

Mr Rusty · Post by **Mr Rusty** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:57 am

wonderer111 wrote:
UKBAbble wrote:
wonderer111 wrote: If that person is given the right to appeal that means that person isn't banned.. right?
No. They might be banned or not. That has nothing to do with ROA.
If a person is banned and if that person submits their application again then will their be application be processed again?

If you had an application refused, and a ban applied, and you were given a right of appeal, the best advice that can be given is that you should exercise your right of appeal and seek to overturn the refusal, including the ban.
If you apply again whilst a ban is in force, your application and the fee may be taken in by the Visa Application Centre, but when it is looked at it will automatically be refused. Whether or not in such circumstances they choose to return the fee is doubtful, but you would risk wasting your money.
If you are refused, banned, and have no right of appeal, your only recourse is to instruct a solicitor in the UK to seek a Judicial Review of the decision in the High Court - a process which would cost you thousands of pounds up front with no guarantee of success.

parvus1202 · Post by **parvus1202** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:20 pm

Even if you seek higher court to interfere, you are most likely to lose as they have the evidence that you submitted a false documents. And that is an automatic ban, and this for 10 years.

" 13 July 2009: Visa Fraud. If you provide false information, documents or passports in support of your visa application, you will be refused a visa and all future applications will be refused for up to 10 years. You may be prosecuted and could face a fine or even go to prison. You should make sure the information given on your visa application form is correct; the documents you provide to support your application are not forged; your passport has not been altered and does not contain false stamps or visas. You should check the information you provide is correct and legitimate. You can report migration or visa fraud, including people who produce or provide false documents; people smuggling or corruption in the visa process to the nearest British mission."

immigrationuk2009 · Post by **immigrationuk2009** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:03 am

Hi

Answer to this question is very simple.When they would be charged of deception they would be refused visa and along with visa refusal they would get notice in which it would be written that they have used deception and are banned for 10 years for any visa.They can given appeal or may not be.
If they have guven you appeal then you should go for appeal as any fresh application would be refused with same reasons.So better go for appeal.
Burden for proof of deception lies on respondent,they have to prove that you have used deception.This is a case law regarding burden of proof for deception.

If you appeal is refused you would be banned for 10 years for any time of visa.

UK_Banned_Member

sop · Post by **sop** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:19 pm

will taht include application for dependant visa as well??

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How do we know that we are banned for applying again?

How do we know that we are banned for applying again?