GNIB card immediately after arrival

[kandil]

I am an non EU spouse of EEA national with a family member residence card issued by Romania.
I was asked by the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland to provide a copy of a valid residence card in order to go ahead with my application for recognition of my Pharmacy qualification, They told me that my Romanian family member residence card can not prove that I am entitled for enforceable community right.
My questions are:
-Is the registration certificate (GNIB card) considered as a residence card and can be used to prove my enforceable community right during the process of my application
-How long does it take me to be issued this card from the time I am arriving in the state together with my European national spouse, Can I present my self at the registration office, for example, on the same day of my arrival or I should wait otherwise for 3 months before I can ask for registration certificate (GNIB card) ?

Your response is highly appreciated,

[IntegratedMigrant]

Hi Kandil, here are some Answered questions:

1. GNIB card is a residence card in Ireland. Given that you're married to an EU citizen, you will be given 4EUFAM GNIB Card which is even better as it gives you most rights.

2. The time it takes to obtain this Residence Card varies, but you could notify the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland after registration that you applied for a residence card.

3. An immigration officer will on your passport endorse a valid dates that you must register to the immigration office. The dates are usually from the day of arrival until 3 months from that date

You may have to complete form EU1 prior to your registration.

Below are undoubtable sites that will give you more knowledge to your questions.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/mo ... eland.html

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/EU ... y%20Rights

[jeupsy]

Not sure about the first question, maybe you should ask them more details about what they are looking for?

Regarding the GNIB card, you will have to send an application to the immigration office. They will take 6 months to process it, but about one month after they receive it you will get a temporary GNIB card which is valid until they are done with processing your application. This initial card will be "Stamp 4" which is the regular card for people who are allowed to stay and work in Ireland.
Once they are fully done with your application, you should get a 5 years "Stamp 4 EU FAM" card. This type of card is specifically for people who are allowed to stay in Ireland as a family member of an EU citizen based on EU treaty rights. This is the only document which proves the fact that your are in Ireland under EU laws, and clearly one they couldn't reject (but I don't know if you can wait for 6 months ...).
During the 6 months before you get that, you will actually already be in Ireland under EU laws while awaiting for your application to be processed - but the thing is you won't really have any immigration document which says it clearly (your visa and regular Stamp 4 will not be specific to EU law - all you will have is a proof that you applied for an EU FAM card).

I think you might need to clarify with the Pharmaceutical Society what exact document they want, and maybe explain to them how the immigration process work if they are not aware of it.

[kandil]

Thank you for your quick reply and the links you provided
I am confused here a little bit and is hoping you could help me,
-the 4EUFAM can take as long as 6 months to be issued and I thought I can directly seek a stamp 4 /GNIB card as soon as arrive as a temporary solution. My chances to get hired after registration with the PSI are higher than my wife’s and that is why I want to get any form of recognition of my legal residence in the state in the form of certificate of registration from the Garda to be able to go ahead with my application for the pharmaceutical society
-I cannot apply for a residence card until my wife gets a job first and this can take a long time with the current crisis.
- can I ask the immigration officer at the airport to grant me stamp 4 and proceed the next day to be registered at the garda, or the only possible way for family member is to wait for his wife to get hired first and to complete the EU1 application?
thanks again

[frei]

Thank you for your quick reply and the links you provided
I am confused here a little bit and is hoping you could help me,
-the 4EUFAM can take as long as 6 months to be issued and I thought I can directly seek a stamp 4 /GNIB card as soon as arrive as a temporary solution. My chances to get hired after registration with the PSI are higher than my wife’s and that is why I want to get any form of recognition of my legal residence in the state in the form of certificate of registration from the Garda to be able to go ahead with my application for the pharmaceutical society
-I cannot apply for a residence card until my wife gets a job first and this can take a long time with the current crisis.
- can I ask the immigration officer at the airport to grant me stamp 4 and proceed the next day to be registered at the garda, or the only possible way for family member is to wait for his wife to get hired first and to complete the EU1 application?
thanks again

You cannot request for stamp 4 at the border, you should also not be subjected to immigration control if you will be arriving Ireland with you family member, but this has not been the case in Ireland. You do have an initial unrestricted 3 months in Ireland.

The transposition and or the amendment of the statutory instrument does not make for residence card holders issued under article 10 to not be stamped on entry in Ireland. You should however explain to the immigration officer if they must stamp you in, the stamp must not contain any restriction on the basis of the unrestricted 3 months access. You might need to have a copy of d directive to hand as proof just in case. This will make it easier for you to seek employment.

As you said employment in your area of specialization is quite easy to come by, and if you can finish with your registration within that initial 3 months, you can the proceed to apply for the 5 years residence card (4EUFAM) as person with sufficient funds after you have commence employment.

All of these will depend on how you can convince the immigration officer at the border.

[kandil]

hi there,
thank you all for trying to help me,
I understand that I have a 3 months unrestricted intitial period during which I don't have to register with the garda, but does this also means that I AM NOT ALLOWED to register if I want to, or actually If I need to prove my presence in the state?
the Garda website(http://www.garda.ie/controller.aspx?page=31) , states that ( All non-nationals who are not citizens of a member State of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland, must register with An Garda Síochána and at all times have a valid registration certificate in the form of a GNIB Card).
Any advice?

[IntegratedMigrant]

hi there,
thank you all for trying to help me,
I understand that I have a 3 months unrestricted intitial period during which I don't have to register with the garda, but does this also means that I AM NOT ALLOWED to register if I want to, or actually If I need to prove my presence in the state?
the Garda website(http://www.garda.ie/controller.aspx?page=31) , states that ( All non-nationals who are not citizens of a member State of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland, must register with An Garda Síochána and at all times have a valid registration certificate in the form of a GNIB Card).
Any advice?

Well the way I understand it, your wife or yourself are required to have a job before you could register since none of you have a in job the first place.

3 months unrestriction is given for you to take your time and look for a job etc, I also think you could extend it for a few week/s if you dont get a job but thats totally up to them to decide.

[gandm]

This is our recent experience, to date. The process seems to have changed from everything we read on the internet.

British citizen, American wife arriving from the US. Airport immigration, photo taken, 3 mth no work no healthcare stamp. Husband starts job immediately.

EU1 to Dublin with passports, copy of employment contract, photos, marriage certificate, letter from hotel saying we're living there.

33 days later passports back, employment contract back, request for a pile of other information. Payslips, tax code, lease agreement (we moved into a permanent home), letter from tenancy board, utility bills in both names. So obviously nothing can go ahead there till the gas or electric bill turns up.

Next step - what we were told is that once we have confirmation the EU1 app is on the system and has a ref number we can then go to Dublin and request a GNIB card. Not before. So we'll see what happens on Monday.

Other info. We emailed the address change in after four weeks in the hotel. Got a response within 3 hours asking a question, responded, got another email the following morning saying app was on the system and original docs would be returned and a letter was being mailed out. Arrived the following day regd post. Very impressed with the communication.

Will update next steps but that's been our very recent experience.

[kandil]

This is our recent experience, to date. The process seems to have changed from everything we read on the internet.

British citizen, American wife arriving from the US. Airport immigration, photo taken, 3 mth no work no healthcare stamp. Husband starts job immediately.

EU1 to Dublin with passports, copy of employment contract, photos, marriage certificate, letter from hotel saying we're living there.

33 days later passports back, employment contract back, request for a pile of other information. Payslips, tax code, lease agreement (we moved into a permanent home), letter from tenancy board, utility bills in both names. So obviously nothing can go ahead there till the gas or electric bill turns up.

Next step - what we were told is that once we have confirmation the EU1 app is on the system and has a ref number we can then go to Dublin and request a GNIB card. Not before. So we'll see what happens on Monday.

Other info. We emailed the address change in after four weeks in the hotel. Got a response within 3 hours asking a question, responded, got another email the following morning saying app was on the system and original docs would be returned and a letter was being mailed out. Arrived the following day regd post. Very impressed with the communication.

Will update next steps but that's been our very recent experience.

thank you for you input, the question here is whether the non-EEA spouse (the american wife) was in possession of a residence card for family members or not. I suppose this would make a difference on how your passport is stamped at the airport.

[frei]

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[frei]

thank you for you input, the question here is whether the non-EEA spouse (the american wife) was in possession of a residence card for family members or not. I suppose this would make a difference on how your passport is stamped at the airport.

It seems you've not been taking in to details what have been previously said, at the border in Ireland you will be stamped with the same restrictions as described above it is up to you to decline thus and explain your rights.

This has been the practice for people entering with residence card, nobody seems to have challenged it yet hence the continued practice. It is opened to you to request to be stamped otherwise.