Care home

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:40 pm

Hi,
As I discussed earlier I am on PSW visa and want to apply for entrepreneur visa, my question is can I open care home of 5 bed and be director of the business on 50k route. I will be managing the care home as I got degree Heath management and social care. Please let me know is my profession will come under graduate level 4. Please reply thanks.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:35 pm

moh.moh wrote:Hi,
As I discussed earlier I am on PSW visa and want to apply for entrepreneur visa, my question is can I open care home of 5 bed and be director of the business on 50k route. I will be managing the care home as I got degree Heath management and social care. Please let me know is my profession will come under graduate level 4. Please reply thanks.

(1242) Residential, day and domiciliary care managers and proprietors from UKBA level 4 . Is my care home profession come under this ukba code. Please reply. Thanks.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:29 pm

moh.moh wrote:
moh.moh wrote:Hi,
As I discussed earlier I am on PSW visa and want to apply for entrepreneur visa, my question is can I open care home of 5 bed and be director of the business on 50k route. I will be managing the care home as I got degree Heath management and social care. Please let me know is my profession will come under graduate level 4. Please reply thanks.

(1242) Residential, day and domiciliary care managers and proprietors from UKBA level 4 . Is my care home profession come under this ukba code. Please reply. Thanks.

Please some one give me answer.

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:05 pm

Hi, this is the code for care homes; residential or nursing. I used the same code when I applied for my visa.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:55 pm

penny1012 wrote:Hi, this is the code for care homes; residential or nursing. I used the same code when I applied for my visa.

Thanks for your reply. Means care home business is graduate level business and I can do care home business by using this code on 50k route .please reply if I am wrong. Thanks

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:58 pm

It is an Occupation skilled to NQF level 4, and you will need to register with CQC as well as a provider and/or care manager.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:22 pm

penny1012 wrote:It is an Occupation skilled to NQF level 4, and you will need to register with CQC as well as a provider and/or care manager.

Thanks for reply. Can I register with CQC after visa approve or I have to register care home before I apply for entrepreneur visa.

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:22 am

obvoiusly before, remember there is the genuine entrepreneur test.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:08 am

penny1012 wrote:obvoiusly before, remember there is the genuine entrepreneur test.

Can I invest after my visa approve as I am switching from PSW . I can make business plan and website that I am going to open care home and will register with CQC as well. What you think It going to work. Please guide me.

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:42 am

I think its better to invest before you apply to show that you are a genuine entrepreneur and maybe have a better chance of success, based on my personal experience, I cannot advise you on this matter as its up to you to invest your money or not, I invested before applying and my application was still refused. please read the guidance as the rules have changed recently.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:38 pm

penny1012 wrote:I think its better to invest before you apply to show that you are a genuine entrepreneur and maybe have a better chance of success, based on my personal experience, I cannot advise you on this matter as its up to you to invest your money or not, I invested before applying and my application was still refused. please read the guidance as the rules have changed recently.

Sorry to hear about your refusal . What reason they gave you if you don't mind to tell me. It will help me for apply visa. Thanks

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:42 pm

I didn't provide a contract.

Olasunkanmi · Post by **Olasunkanmi** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:51 am

moh.moh wrote:Hi,
As I discussed earlier I am on PSW visa and want to apply for entrepreneur visa, my question is can I open care home of 5 bed and be director of the business on 50k route. I will be managing the care home as I got degree Heath management and social care. Please let me know is my profession will come under graduate level 4. Please reply thanks.

@Moh.moh, you have to be very careful with your plan as your main service in your care business will fall below NQF level 4.

Your own role as ''Residential, day and domiciliary care managers and proprietors (1242)'' might b at NQF level 4 but the main service in care home is below NQF level 4.

In the policy guidance, example was given by HO of The Director of a taxi company who is at NQF level 4 but taxi service is below NQF level 4.

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:58 am

I disagree with you, I am a registered care manager and the work I do is like any other management work, skilled to Level 4 and above.

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:53 pm

penny1012 wrote:I disagree with you, I am a registered care manager and the work I do is like any other management work, skilled to Level 4 and above.

I am confused now . Is care home business is level 4 work. Please let me know.

Olasunkanmi · Post by **Olasunkanmi** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:02 pm

penny1012 wrote:I disagree with you, I am a registered care manager and the work I do is like any other management work, skilled to Level 4 and above.

@ Penny1012, u are right that you are a registered care manager which is at NQF level 4 or probably above, but the core service in a care home will most probably be carried out by support workers and care assistants and their services fall under NQF level 2.

The only probable option is if you registered yourself as a self-employed or a director of a care consultant company and then render care managerial or consultancy service to a registered care home as a contractor and not as an employee.

You cannot render care support/care assistant service and expect it to be class as NQF level 4 by HO.

penny1012 · Post by **penny1012** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:02 pm

The care manager manages the staff, clients, administration and finance of the business, in my case I am a manager and the director of the company as well. the link below says what the job role is all about. I know a care home owner who got a tier 1 entrepreneur visa recently, switching from tier 1 hsmp, he only had a care home for a year and is being investigated for tax fraud by hmrc.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... orkers.pdf

moh.moh · Post by **moh.moh** » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:21 am

penny1012 wrote:The care manager manages the staff, clients, administration and finance of the business, in my case I am a manager and the director of the company as well. the link below says what the job role is all about. I know a care home owner who got a tier 1 entrepreneur visa recently, switching from tier 1 hsmp, he only had a care home for a year and is being investigated for tax fraud by hmrc.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... orkers.pdf

Thanks for information but you said u know some one who switch from hsmp . If I am not wrong that hsmp people need to show 200k and don't need for graduate level 4 profession for apply for entrepreneur visa. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

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