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Hi there,

I need urgent help. I am going to apply for citizenship along with my spouse.Just got confused about one issue , need help if someone please clarify the situation for me please.

Yesterday I got speeding ticket and police officer told me that mostly likely I will be given a option of speed awareness course rather than FPN. As I already got FPN about 3 months ago. Now on the guidance it says If you got more than 1 fix plenty notice in last 12 months then you can't apply.

Can someone please clarify, will speed awareness course be counted as FPN ? And am I ok If I apply with 1 FPN and one speed awareness course on my license ? Because as I understand if you have two FPN in last 12 months you cannot apply.

Your urgent reply will highly appreciated

Regards,
Sam

HSMPGUY wrote:Hi there,

I need urgent help. I am going to apply for citizenship along with my spouse.Just got confused about one issue , need help if someone please clarify the situation for me please.

Yesterday I got speeding ticket and police officer told me that mostly likely I will be given a option of speed awareness course rather than FPN. As I already got FPN about 3 months ago. Now on the guidance it says If you got more than 1 fix plenty notice in last 12 months then you can't apply.

Can someone please clarify, will speed awareness course be counted as FPN ? And am I ok If I apply with 1 FPN and one speed awareness course on my license ? Because as I understand if you have two FPN in last 12 months you cannot apply.

Your urgent reply will highly appreciated

Regards,
Sam

There is no rule that two FPNs will be a bar. However, multiple FPNs in the last 12 months may be enough to create a presumption that the applicant is not of good character. A speed awareness course is not a FPN and there is nothing to suggest it would be viewed as one. You'll just have to wait to see what punishment you're given.

Thanks for your kind reply.

However, multiple FPNs in the last 12 months may be enough to create a presumption that the applicant is not of good character.

Is multiple non court FPNs will also be treated as a applicant's bad character? Plus I am confused, do one have to declare these FPN on the form even though they're not given through the court ?

Plus guidance also says about submitting the counter part of the license. which is also confusing... Do I have to submit counter part only when FPN delivered through the court or for normal FPN as well.


I am waiting for documentation for my speeding ticket and praying that i would get me option of speed awareness course. Fingers crossed


Thanks again for your kind help.

Hi D4109125,

Finally I got the letter of speed awareness course, so its not FPN. Now am I ok to go ahead and submit my application ? Since I only got 1 FPN which is out of court notice and paid the the fine with 3 point on my license. Plus do I have to declare this on my application ?

I also have another query regarding my spouse.
She was living with me from last five year. Because we recently had a baby and she went to her parents and spend more than 90 days out of the country.

Now will she come under rule of 90 days out of country in last 12 months Or she will be under 450 days in 5 years ?


Thanks,
Sam.

HSMPGUY wrote:Hi D4109125,

Finally I got the letter of speed awareness course, so its not FPN. Now am I ok to go ahead and submit my application ? Since I only got 1 FPN which is out of court notice and paid the the fine with 3 point on my license. Plus do I have to declare this on my application ?

I also have another query regarding my spouse.
She was living with me from last five year. Because we recently had a baby and she went to her parents and spend more than 90 days out of the country.

Now will she come under rule of 90 days out of country in last 12 months Or she will be under 450 days in 5 years ?


Thanks,
Sam.

As you have only received one FPN this should pose no issues. There is nothing to prevent you adding the extra information for openness.

Your spouse will have to meet both those requirements see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... uirements/ there is discretion to ignore more absence than 90 days in the last year but you should show a good link to the uk I.e. have all assets here and meet the residency requirement. Once you are naturalised as a bc your spouse only has to have 3 years residency, though, this wouldn't really matter as she already meets the standard residency requirement. The issue is the absence.

1. Is your spouse back in the uk now?

2. How many days in the last year was she absent? And in the last 5 years how many days absent?

D4109125 wrote:

HSMPGUY wrote:Hi D4109125,

Finally I got the letter of speed awareness course, so its not FPN. Now am I ok to go ahead and submit my application ? Since I only got 1 FPN which is out of court notice and paid the the fine with 3 point on my license. Plus do I have to declare this on my application ?

I also have another query regarding my spouse.
She was living with me from last five year. Because we recently had a baby and she went to her parents and spend more than 90 days out of the country.

Now will she come under rule of 90 days out of country in last 12 months Or she will be under 450 days in 5 years ?


Thanks,
Sam.

As you have only received one FPN this should pose no issues. There is nothing to prevent you adding the extra information for openness.

Your spouse will have to meet both those requirements see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... uirements/ there is discretion to ignore more absence than 90 days in the last year but you should show a good link to the uk I.e. have all assets here and meet the residency requirement. Once you are naturalised as a bc your spouse only has to have 3 years residency, though, this wouldn't really matter as she already meets the standard residency requirement. The issue is the absence.

1. Is your spouse back in the uk now?

2. How many days in the last year was she absent? And in the last 5 years how many days absent?

Yes was back in March. She was out of country for roughly 150 days in last 5 years.

Last time was longest (4 month) mainly Because we had twins, Since my wife was alone here, It was really difficult for us with two babies. That was main reason she was out of the country to get additional help from the family.
Do you think, if we write the cover letter explaining said situation, along with twins birth certificate, will this be good reason to consider by the case worker ?

HSMPGUY wrote:

D4109125 wrote:

HSMPGUY wrote:Hi D4109125,

Finally I got the letter of speed awareness course, so its not FPN. Now am I ok to go ahead and submit my application ? Since I only got 1 FPN which is out of court notice and paid the the fine with 3 point on my license. Plus do I have to declare this on my application ?

I also have another query regarding my spouse.
She was living with me from last five year. Because we recently had a baby and she went to her parents and spend more than 90 days out of the country.

Now will she come under rule of 90 days out of country in last 12 months Or she will be under 450 days in 5 years ?


Thanks,
Sam.

As you have only received one FPN this should pose no issues. There is nothing to prevent you adding the extra information for openness.

Your spouse will have to meet both those requirements see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... uirements/ there is discretion to ignore more absence than 90 days in the last year but you should show a good link to the uk I.e. have all assets here and meet the residency requirement. Once you are naturalised as a bc your spouse only has to have 3 years residency, though, this wouldn't really matter as she already meets the standard residency requirement. The issue is the absence.

1. Is your spouse back in the uk now?

2. How many days in the last year was she absent? And in the last 5 years how many days absent?

Yes was back in March. She was out of country for roughly 150 days in last 5 years.

Last time was longest (4 month) mainly Because we had twins, Since my wife was alone here, It was really difficult for us with two babies. That was main reason she was out of the country to get additional help from the family.
Do you think, if we write the cover letter explaining said situation, along with twins birth certificate, will this be good reason to consider by the case worker ?

She needs to show a strong link to the uk, that is usually in the form of what 'estate' she has here. If the majority of her property, land and money is here that should be good enough to allow the excess absence to be ignored. Congratulations on the twins.

D4109125 wrote:

HSMPGUY wrote:

D4109125 wrote:

HSMPGUY wrote:Hi D4109125,

Finally I got the letter of speed awareness course, so its not FPN. Now am I ok to go ahead and submit my application ? Since I only got 1 FPN which is out of court notice and paid the the fine with 3 point on my license. Plus do I have to declare this on my application ?

I also have another query regarding my spouse.
She was living with me from last five year. Because we recently had a baby and she went to her parents and spend more than 90 days out of the country.

Now will she come under rule of 90 days out of country in last 12 months Or she will be under 450 days in 5 years ?


Thanks,
Sam.

As you have only received one FPN this should pose no issues. There is nothing to prevent you adding the extra information for openness.

Your spouse will have to meet both those requirements see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... uirements/ there is discretion to ignore more absence than 90 days in the last year but you should show a good link to the uk I.e. have all assets here and meet the residency requirement. Once you are naturalised as a bc your spouse only has to have 3 years residency, though, this wouldn't really matter as she already meets the standard residency requirement. The issue is the absence.

1. Is your spouse back in the uk now?

2. How many days in the last year was she absent? And in the last 5 years how many days absent?

Yes was back in March. She was out of country for roughly 150 days in last 5 years.

Last time was longest (4 month) mainly Because we had twins, Since my wife was alone here, It was really difficult for us with two babies. That was main reason she was out of the country to get additional help from the family.
Do you think, if we write the cover letter explaining said situation, along with twins birth certificate, will this be good reason to consider by the case worker ?

She needs to show a strong link to the uk, that is usually in the form of what 'estate' she has here. If the majority of her property, land and money is here that should be good enough to allow the excess absence to be ignored. Congratulations on the twins.

Thanks D4109125

Actually we don't have any property or estate as yet. Currently renting, But she has some saving over 15 K. Will that be good enough to declare and make any difference ?
So what would you suggest, She should wait or go ahead and apply along side with me ?

HSMPGUY wrote:

D4109125 wrote:

HSMPGUY wrote:

D4109125 wrote:
As you have only received one FPN this should pose no issues. There is nothing to prevent you adding the extra information for openness.

Your spouse will have to meet both those requirements see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... uirements/ there is discretion to ignore more absence than 90 days in the last year but you should show a good link to the uk I.e. have all assets here and meet the residency requirement. Once you are naturalised as a bc your spouse only has to have 3 years residency, though, this wouldn't really matter as she already meets the standard residency requirement. The issue is the absence.

1. Is your spouse back in the uk now?

2. How many days in the last year was she absent? And in the last 5 years how many days absent?

Yes was back in March. She was out of country for roughly 150 days in last 5 years.

Last time was longest (4 month) mainly Because we had twins, Since my wife was alone here, It was really difficult for us with two babies. That was main reason she was out of the country to get additional help from the family.
Do you think, if we write the cover letter explaining said situation, along with twins birth certificate, will this be good reason to consider by the case worker ?

She needs to show a strong link to the uk, that is usually in the form of what 'estate' she has here. If the majority of her property, land and money is here that should be good enough to allow the excess absence to be ignored. Congratulations on the twins.

Thanks D4109125

Actually we don't have any property or estate as yet. Currently renting, But she has some saving over 15 K. Will that be good enough to declare and make any difference ?
So what would you suggest, She should wait or go ahead and apply along side with me ?

If that's all her estate then the link would appear a prima facie good one. It is discretion so not guaranteed. You could apply using the NCS see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... locations/ and they can contact a ukba caseworker to tell you what your chances are.