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Referres for Child!

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:49 am
by anandh79
Hi,

My child is 18 months old. I am just checking whether referees are needed for 18 months old.

Also, the guide states the following

One referee should be a professional who has engaged with the child in a professional
capacity, such as a teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion.


My friend is a bitish citizen and is a director of limited company. Can he sign as part of professional referee?

Is there any requirement like he would need to be a british citizen for these many years before signing like that.

This is the link I found now in ukba website

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... er6/annexa


Regards
Anandh

Re: Referres for Child!

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:56 am
by Amber
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

My child is 18 months old. I am just checking whether referees are needed for 18 months old.

Also, the guide states the following

One referee should be a professional who has engaged with the child in a professional
capacity, such as a teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion.


My friend is a bitish citizen and is a director of limited company. Can he sign as part of professional referee?

Is there any requirement like he would need to be a british citizen for these many years before signing like that.

Regards
Anandh
I doubt that friend is engaged in a professional capacity. Try the GP or a nurse etc....

Re: Referres for Child!

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:02 am
by anandh79
D4109125 wrote:
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

My child is 18 months old. I am just checking whether referees are needed for 18 months old.

Also, the guide states the following

One referee should be a professional who has engaged with the child in a professional
capacity, such as a teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion.


My friend is a bitish citizen and is a director of limited company. Can he sign as part of professional referee?

Is there any requirement like he would need to be a british citizen for these many years before signing like that.

Regards
Anandh
I doubt that friend is engaged in a professional capacity. Try the GP or a nurse etc....
Hi,

I believe that Directory of limited company is considered as professional capacity as per the list provided by Home Office.

Please confirm.

Regards

Re: Referres for Child!

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:39 am
by Amber
anandh79 wrote:
D4109125 wrote:
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

My child is 18 months old. I am just checking whether referees are needed for 18 months old.

Also, the guide states the following

One referee should be a professional who has engaged with the child in a professional
capacity, such as a teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion.


My friend is a bitish citizen and is a director of limited company. Can he sign as part of professional referee?

Is there any requirement like he would need to be a british citizen for these many years before signing like that.

Regards
Anandh
I doubt that friend is engaged in a professional capacity. Try the GP or a nurse etc....
Hi,

I believe that Directory of limited company is considered as professional capacity as per the list provided by Home Office.

Please confirm.

Regards
No, a director is a professional but does not know your child in a professional capacity, as I said above a GP or nurse or others given in the example.

Re: Referres for Child!

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:40 am
by anandh79
D4109125 wrote:
anandh79 wrote:
D4109125 wrote:
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

My child is 18 months old. I am just checking whether referees are needed for 18 months old.

Also, the guide states the following

One referee should be a professional who has engaged with the child in a professional
capacity, such as a teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion.


My friend is a bitish citizen and is a director of limited company. Can he sign as part of professional referee?

Is there any requirement like he would need to be a british citizen for these many years before signing like that.

Regards
Anandh
I doubt that friend is engaged in a professional capacity. Try the GP or a nurse etc....
Hi,

I believe that Directory of limited company is considered as professional capacity as per the list provided by Home Office.

Please confirm.

Regards
No, a director is a professional but does not know your child in a professional capacity, as I said above a GP or nurse.
Hi,

I have already checked with my GP and Healthvisitor and they don't do it nowadays.

What other options do i have

Also, my daughter is just 18 months old, what difference does it make as she has not yet gone to nursery or school.

Regards

Re: Referres for Child!

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:41 am
by Amber
anandh79 wrote:
D4109125 wrote:
anandh79 wrote:
D4109125 wrote:
I doubt that friend is engaged in a professional capacity. Try the GP or a nurse etc....
Hi,

I believe that Directory of limited company is considered as professional capacity as per the list provided by Home Office.

Please confirm.

Regards
No, a director is a professional but does not know your child in a professional capacity, as I said above a GP or nurse.
Hi,

I have already checked with my GP and Healthvisitor and they don't do it nowadays.

What other options do i have

Regards
Religious person? Social worker? Pharmacist?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:01 am
by Jambo
Have you read the FAQ before posting?

See a similar question in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:46 am
by anandh79
Jambo wrote:Have you read the FAQ before posting?

See a similar question in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.
Hi Jambo,

My kid is 18 months old. But is this from the HO or just the experiances of other people.

This is what is written in the FAQ

If applying under section 1(3) (child born in the UK), and you can't find a referee who knows the child in a professional capacity, just get any professional to sign. The HO are less strict on the referees especially if the child is young.

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:49 am
by anandh79
Jambo wrote:Have you read the FAQ before posting?

See a similar question in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.
Hi,

Even if i make any professional to sign this for my kid, just worried about this part.

If HO rejects my application based on refree not getting satisfied, will they be prosecuted or punished.

I understand that I may be liable for prosecution resulting
in a penalty of up to 3 months imprisonment or a fine not
exceeding £5,000 or both if I knowingly or recklessly
make a false declaration.

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:37 pm
by Jambo
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

Even if i make any professional to sign this for my kid, just worried about this part.

If HO rejects my application based on refree not getting satisfied, will they be prosecuted or punished.

I understand that I may be liable for prosecution resulting
in a penalty of up to 3 months imprisonment or a fine not
exceeding £5,000 or both if I knowingly or recklessly
make a false declaration.
For a UK born child it won't get rejected. You can even apply without referees and the application most likely be successful.

The warning on the form is for providing false declaration (his details or the way he knows the applicant) and not about not satisfying the HO requirements.

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:15 pm
by anandh79
Jambo wrote:
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

Even if i make any professional to sign this for my kid, just worried about this part.

If HO rejects my application based on refree not getting satisfied, will they be prosecuted or punished.

I understand that I may be liable for prosecution resulting
in a penalty of up to 3 months imprisonment or a fine not
exceeding £5,000 or both if I knowingly or recklessly
make a false declaration.
For a UK born child it won't get rejected. You can even apply without referees and the application most likely be successful.

The warning on the form is for providing false declaration (his details or the way he knows the applicant) and not about not satisfying the HO requirements.
Thanks Jambo!

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:29 am
by anandh79
anandh79 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
anandh79 wrote:Hi,

Even if i make any professional to sign this for my kid, just worried about this part.

If HO rejects my application based on refree not getting satisfied, will they be prosecuted or punished.

I understand that I may be liable for prosecution resulting
in a penalty of up to 3 months imprisonment or a fine not
exceeding £5,000 or both if I knowingly or recklessly
make a false declaration.
For a UK born child it won't get rejected. You can even apply without referees and the application most likely be successful.

The warning on the form is for providing false declaration (his details or the way he knows the applicant) and not about not satisfying the HO requirements.
Thanks Jambo!
Hi,

I am just wondering that there is no place in the section 5 which asks for referee position or his job details. How does the HO know whether he is a professional.

All they ask is how he knows me and his passport number which is again optional.

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:32 am
by Jambo
Check 5.2 on the form.