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Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:16 pm
by arifahsan
Dear All,
Today I received my Naturalisation approval letter.By tomorrow will be book citizenship ceremony with local council. My problem is Home Office lost my Passport and other documents when i applied for ILR. After approved my ILR only received BRP card and approval letter from Home Office. From 2014 tried to track where is my passport and other documents(Including LIUK and Degree certificate and transcripts). My solicitors send 15 chase up letter also my local M.P tried to trace my documents and passport.After one year of my ILR applied my naturalisation with proper explanation. though i shown my last 5 years work P60,Payslip and other documents to prove my presence in UK.Now when i am going to apply for my First British passport usually need to attached the origin country passport(Mine Indian). Now my question is without my passport how can i apply for British passport?

Home office till today didn't give me any explanation where is my passport and Indian High commission can not issue the duplicate passport without proper documentation.

Thanks in advance.
Arif Ahsan.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:01 pm
by HelloitsmeAbby
I'm not sure if this can be done but could you not declare it lost. like go to the police, say you lost your passport but you don't know where... they will give you s crime number and ask police for a letter from them as you will need it to show Indian embassy to get a new one.

Get new indian passport and done.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:16 pm
by HelloitsmeAbby
info.inuk@vfshelpline.com


try email these as they should be able to help you

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:27 pm
by Casa
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:info.inuk@vfshelpline.com


try email these as they should be able to help you
Very doubtful as these are only agents for visa applications. i.e India Visa and Consular Service Application Centre in UK and not applicable to a passport lost by the Home Office during an ILR application.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:38 pm
by HelloitsmeAbby
Casa wrote:
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:info.inuk@vfshelpline.com


try email these as they should be able to help you
Very doubtful as these are only agents for visa applications. i.e India Visa and Consular Service Application Centre in UK and not applicable to a passport lost by the Home Office during an ILR application.

I mean to enquire how to get a new passport since the op lost theirs! to get new passport it seems op needs to go through vfs

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:41 pm
by Casa
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:
Casa wrote:
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:info.inuk@vfshelpline.com


try email these as they should be able to help you
Very doubtful as these are only agents for visa applications. i.e India Visa and Consular Service Application Centre in UK and not applicable to a passport lost by the Home Office during an ILR application.

I mean to enquire how to get a new passport since the op lost theirs! to get new passport it seems op needs to go through vfs
" and Indian High commission can not issue the duplicate passport without proper documentation."

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:51 pm
by HelloitsmeAbby
A letter from police stating the op declared it lost,with crime ref number dated and signed wouldn't be sufficient ??

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:08 am
by arifahsan
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:I'm not sure if this can be done but could you not declare it lost. like go to the police, say you lost your passport but you don't know where... they will give you s crime number and ask police for a letter from them as you will need it to show Indian embassy to get a new one.

Get new indian passport and done.
Home office lost my passport and other documents not from me. How can I say police I lost my passport where home office lost all of this. I seek crime reference no from police station but they asked how you lost the passport? I told police my situation and tgey suggested to me ask home office to send the letter(lost).

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:18 am
by HelloitsmeAbby
But you shouldnt tell them HO lost it... say u lost it in the town centre! too late now...was just an idea maybe ...

maybe I didn't make it clear -

tell police U lost it in town centre
take crime number and ask for letter from them stating you reported it lost etc

take that letter...get new passport from Indian embassy...that cancels the other one...

I guess maybe I was a bit naive thinking it could be that easy.
Was just trying to offer a solution as it may have been quicker than battling with HO
Sorry.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:39 am
by Casa
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:But you shouldnt tell them HO lost it... say u lost it in the town centre! too late now...was just an idea maybe ...

maybe I didn't make it clear -

tell police U lost it in town centre
take crime number and ask for letter from them stating you reported it lost etc

take that letter...get new passport from Indian embassy...that cancels the other one...

I guess maybe I was a bit naive thinking it could be that easy.
Was just trying to offer a solution as it may have been quicker than battling with HO
Sorry.
HelloitsmeAbby. PLEASE DO NOT ADVISE MEMBERS TO SUBMIT A FALSE STATEMENT TO THE POLICE! In this country it is a criminal offence. If advice such as this is repeated, your membership will be terminated.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:34 pm
by arifahsan
I spoken with two person in HM passport office. Both person given me different opinion. One opinion was fill up the form and explain the situation why you can not provide the passport as it is not your fault.

Another one without passport they will not process your passport application does not matter it is Home office or your fault.

Guys if i want to take the risk and go ahead how can i fill up the passport information section. I am Just confused.

Please note that when i applied for Naturalisation application before i asked for SAR where clearly mentioned File(Including passport) misplaced or lost. Can not identify the location in case worker minute.

Thanks in advance

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:42 pm
by CR001
If the SAR lists that from HO, then include the SAR with your passport application and highlight it so that they can see it clearly.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:46 pm
by arifahsan
Its Clearly mentioned in SAR misplaced or lost.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:51 pm
by CR001
Then apply for passport and explain in section 8 and say that you attach SAR for their reference. You should be fine then.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:32 pm
by arifahsan
One more question how can I fill up passport section ? I am really confused for this question for my current situation. Could you please guide me? I will definitely add my SAR with the application.
Thanks.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:24 pm
by CR001
Complete with your current passport information only.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:51 am
by HelloitsmeAbby
Casa wrote:
HelloitsmeAbby wrote:But you shouldnt tell them HO lost it... say u lost it in the town centre! too late now...was just an idea maybe ...

maybe I didn't make it clear -

tell police U lost it in town centre
take crime number and ask for letter from them stating you reported it lost etc

take that letter...get new passport from Indian embassy...that cancels the other one...

I guess maybe I was a bit naive thinking it could be that easy.
Was just trying to offer a solution as it may have been quicker than battling with HO
Sorry.
HelloitsmeAbby. PLEASE DO NOT ADVISE MEMBERS TO SUBMIT A FALSE STATEMENT TO THE POLICE! In this country it is a criminal offence. If advice such as this is repeated, your membership will be terminated.


Thanks for the warning.... but that last line ' If advice such as this is tepeated, your membership willbe terminated' Wouldve been more professional of you to message me in private rather than in front of God knows how many people.

Yeah I admit it was wrong advice but was all in the best of intentions.

Re: Passport application.

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:17 pm
by Casa
The intention was:
a. For all members to know that the advice was seriously flawed
b. For all members to be aware that the Board administrators do not allow posts that give advice leading to illegal actions, and the consequences of giving that advice.

The last thing the Board administrators want is for a member to say they have followed advice they read on the forum and are now facing criminal charges.
If you wanted fewer views, it would have been wise to post your complaint via a PM.