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Hello,

It has been a while since I started filling in the naturalisation form. I have finally come to the nearest point ever to finishing it so hope this is my last attempt. There is a number of questions I have and I rely on your help.

Background:
I am from Estonia, came here is September 2008. Straight away I went to the uni and graduated in February 2012. After that, I have been working with no gaps in employment, and recently registered a Ltd company with no trading activity yet. I am currently employed full time and I pay taxes through PAYE. I am also married, but in the process of divorce; decree nisi is not yet issued; we have been living separately for for the last 3.5 years. I now live with my girlfriend together (not the wife)

1.1 Please give previous Immigration and Nationality Directorate or Border and Immigration Agency or UK Border Agency, or Home Office reference numbers.

The very first question and I don't know what they want. What is this number? Is is possible I do not have it? How can I obtain it? Can I leave this blank?

1.3 Please say when you were given indefinite leave to enter/remain in the UK (not necessary if you are a Commonwealth citizen with right of abode in the United Kingdom). If you are an EEA national, a Swiss national or a family member of an EEA or Swiss national you should read pages 10 to 11 of the Booklet AN.


What should this date be? Is this the day I came to the UK or is the date Estonia joined EU?

1.15 Current marital status (Please tick one box only)

Am I "Married or a civil partner" or "Divorced or civil partnership dissolved"? Currently I live with my girlfriend, so should this be "Unmarried partner"?

1.17 Please provide your addresses for the past five years.

How specific should I be here? There is no way at all I’d be able to remember every single date I moved somewhere. I do remember addresses though so that’s only dates that are in question

1.23 Please provide details of your English language test:

I apply based on the fact I’ve obtained a qualification recognised by UK NARIC, in the UK itself. Should I fill in this section, and if yes what should I answer here? I did pass IELTS in 2008 but it is not the basis of my application.


1.32 Full name of partner

I guess whether I should fill Details of your partner section depends on what I should choose in 1.15? So I am still hesitant

1.46 Are you: An employee? A business partner? Self-employed? A director?
I am employee working permanently, but also a Director of a company with no trading acitvity. Which should I choose? Questions 1.47 / 1.48 assume I tick only 1 box?

1.49 Address of tax office or tax office reference

I am not sure this information is present on any of my P60, P45 or payslips. How do I learn what the address is?

1.23 Employment history in UK during past 10 years, or since date of entry if you have been here for less than 10 years

Should I mention being a student here? It shows clearly my uninterrupted activity for the last 7 years

2.1 Date and place of your first arrival in the United Kingdom

The date is obviously approximate, the day is unknown but it was September. As a place I specified London, but I do not remember the exact airport I arrived to. How important is it to mention the airport, is it worth making a random guess?

2.2 Please give details of all absences from the UK

The majority of date here are approximate and probably a couple of flights is missing; I do not have any sort of information (emais, tickets, etc) for anything before October 2011. Can I improvise here, and write approximate dates when I probably traveled? My total leave will no exceed 150 days for the last 5 years. My journeys rarely exceeded 10 days.

2.4 Are you an EEA national or the family member of an EEA national?

What should I write in the box provided? Yes? EEA national? Leave blank?
It then asks me for a number of my permanent residence card, but I do not have one because my permanent residence was issued automatically because I started the university straight after arriving to the country and successfully graduated. See the question I asked earler - http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1192446



Supporting documents, Section 4

How do I submit PR if I do not have it physically?

Thank you for the help

Before I answer your very long list (the AN guide and booklet explains how to complete the form by the way so worth a read), my first questions are :

1. Do you have a document certifying your permanent residence status? If you don't, you cannot apply for British Citizenship until you have this as it is a requirement to submit it since 19 November 2015.

2. While you were a student, did you have comprehensive sickness insurance and if not, how were you a exercising your treaty rights?

Thank you for the reply!
I did read the booklet, unfortunately I either missed this information or it was not specific enough. I will read it once again, to be sure.

1. I do not have this document. A lawyer from my company (who frankly does not specialise in immigration law), advisor in Home Office helpline and Julian11 from the thread I mentioned all said it should be fine as long I started the university straight away after coming to the UK.

2. I had a EU health insurance and currently I am in the process of requesting a document confirming that from Estonian health service

Edit: It seems to be that I have been to slow to submit my application, and now the booklet clearly says "You should apply for a permanent residence card to prove that you hold that status before applying for citizenship.". Looks like I am out of luck this year...

hraban wrote:Thank you for the reply!
I did read the booklet, unfortunately I either missed this information or it was not specific enough. I will read it once again, to be sure.

1. I do not have this document. A lawyer from my company (who frankly does not specialise in immigration law), advisor in Home Office helpline and Julian11 from the thread I mentioned all said it should be fine as long I started the university straight away after coming to the UK.

2. I had a EU health insurance and currently I am in the process of requesting a document confirming that from Estonian health service

You must apply PR first in order to follow the path towards citizenship because rules have been changed recently

I've just edited my last post, I have been too slow to submit the application and now it says clearly that I will have to wait for another year.
Thank you for the response, you have just saved me £1000 of application fees. I will apply for PR now instead of the citizenship

You need the PR document, it is required to submit it with your application regardless of when you automatically attained PR status or how long you have been in the UK. You will only be considered as qualifying as a student if you held some sort of sickness insurance for the full duration of your studies.

Did you have an EU Health Insurance card from Estonia, valid for the full duration of your studies? You will be required to submit proof of this for the PR document you need to apply for and probably for your citizenship application.

AN Guidance Notes (click); AN Booklet (click)

hraban wrote:Thank you for the reply!
I did read the booklet, unfortunately I either missed this information or it was not specific enough. I will read it once again, to be sure.

1. I do not have this document. A lawyer from my company (who frankly does not specialise in immigration law), advisor in Home Office helpline and Julian11 from the thread I mentioned all said it should be fine as long I started the university straight away after coming to the UK.

2. I had a EU health insurance and currently I am in the process of requesting a document confirming that from Estonian health service

Edit: It seems to be that I have been to slow to submit my application, and now the booklet clearly says "You should apply for a permanent residence card to prove that you hold that status before applying for citizenship.". Looks like I am out of luck this year...

1) Unfortunately, you have either not understood the question on possession of PR card or were unaware of this new mandatory requirement for the privilege of citizenship.

Suggest you would be better off focusing efforts on the application form for a 'confirmation of PR' card.

2) Note You will also need to provide a statement of intent letter to go with your reliance on EHIC (even in support of your application for PR card).

See HO guidance regarding this critical point:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... s_v3_0.pdf
ref. page 45

Applications for a document certifying permanent residence or a permanent residence card - EHIC or E111 is provided
You do not need a statement of intent with these applications as at the permanent residence stage you are deciding if the applicant has already acquired a right of permanent residence in the UK.
Therefore the applicant’s intentions for the future are irrelevant. In these circumstances, applicants only need to provide evidence to show they had an EHIC (or an E111) for the whole of their five years continuous residence.

Does it mean I need to show the proof of having EHIC from the period of 2010-2012, and then a proof of being employed and paying taxes, and therefore being covered by NHS? Only past 5 years are taken into account. I think it means I do not need to submit the statement of intent

hraban wrote:Applications for a document certifying permanent residence or a permanent residence card - EHIC or E111 is provided
You do not need a statement of intent with these applications as at the permanent residence stage you are deciding if the applicant has already acquired a right of permanent residence in the UK.
Therefore the applicant’s intentions for the future are irrelevant. In these circumstances, applicants only need to provide evidence to show they had an EHIC (or an E111) for the whole of their five years continuous residence.

Does it mean I need to show the proof of having EHIC from the period of 2010-2012, and then a proof of being employed and paying taxes, and therefore being covered by NHS? Only past 5 years are taken into account. I think it means I do not need to submit the statement of intent

Yes I think you are correct, (statement only necessary for RC).
But proof of holding EHIC (or CSI) will be needed for your time as a student to have contributed to your 'PR clock'.