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UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:02 pm
by Blondie_33
Hi all,

I'm trying to understand the next step (currently applied for EU settlement status)

It starts with URL: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-sp ... w-to-apply
link to URL: https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an
and both suggest to read guide which I did:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... n-guidance

I didn't find in the AN guide the same requirements as the AN online form require:
https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an

two referees - I couldn't find it in the AN form. even though the form says
For further information on residence requirements, eligibility, referees and the evidence we require, read the guidance notes and requirements booklet.
I'm a bit confused here.

Recap of what I already have:
- EU passport
- Lived and worked in the UK 5 years
- British spouse
- Passed Life in the UK
- Passed B1 English exam

What I don't understand:
1. Two referees
2. UKVCAS / BRP - both the same?

I hope someone will be able help
Thank you

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:25 pm
by Zerubbabel
2 referees are for citizenship not for settlement.

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:46 pm
by CR001
Page 24 in the link below for referees.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... y-guidance

The rest is guidance for citizenship and all the requirements.

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:12 pm
by Blondie33
I'm asking about the citizenship, not about the settlement.

CR001
I will read all the document you've mentioned. the question is, how should I guess that it's part of my process? :)

I went step by step as per the guide of what is follow after settlement + British spouse and got the contradiction I mentioned.
Now I'm quite worried that there are some more information that I might need and it's mentioned on some other document... :(


What happens if I don't find a referee? I have potentially two, but I guess at least one of them won't agree to provide his passport number... then what I suppose to do?

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:24 pm
by CR001
If you don't have 2 referees and complete the relevant pages, you cannot apply and your application will be refused or rejected. All citizenship applications, even for children, require 2 referees.

Not sure what contradiction you are referring to at all, your post isn't clear on what it is exactly!

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:50 am
by Blondie33
The contradiction is that the "Apply for citizenship if your spouse is a British citizen" URL: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-sp ... w-to-apply
link to URL: https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an
and both suggest to read guide which I did:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... n-guidance

It didn't mention anything about referee.

Thanks anyway, you helped me to understand what I need.
now I have no idea where can I find another solicitor to help me with the referee thing :(

One more question
as per https://www.gov.uk/ukvcas
I will need "your biometric information (fingerprints and photo)"
how do I get this? it's the BRP? (URL: https://www.gov.uk/biometric-residence-permits)
it's also says: "You do not have to pay the charge if you are applying to the EU Settlement Scheme."
not sure what exactly I won't need to pay for £19.20 bio metric information or appointment fee £60

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:30 am
by CR001
now I have no idea where can I find another solicitor to help me with the referee thing :(
Why do you need a solicitor??? It is a simple form that has to be completed and the referees MUST both know for at least 3 years.
One more question
as per https://www.gov.uk/ukvcas
I will need "your biometric information (fingerprints and photo)"
how do I get this? it's the BRP? (URL: https://www.gov.uk/biometric-residence-permits)
It is the appointment at UKCVAS centre to enroll your biometrics and digital photo taking.
it's also says: "You do not have to pay the charge if you are applying to the EU Settlement Scheme."
not sure what exactly I won't need to pay for £19.20 bio metric information or appointment fee £60
You are asking in THIS topic about applying for citizenship and NOT about the EU settlement scheme. Do not confuse the two, they are different. For citizenship, none of the free services you get under the EEA/EU Settlement scheme apply. For citizenship, you have to pay to do your biometrics and pay to get a UKCVAS appointment if there are no free ones available.

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:50 am
by Blondie33
there is a list of professionals who can be referee, I just gave an example solicitor.

and CR001 you're right it was my misunderstanding since they mixed it in the same page of the citizenship application.

Thanks a lot for the clarification I really appreciate it :) it's so nice people helping each other here


That's it I created my to do list now. the only thing I'm not sure about is:
Proof of living in the UK: If you are an EEA National, you need to include letters from employers, educational establishments or other government departments, indicating your presence in the UK during the relevant 3- or 5-year period. Bank statements or household bills are not suitable proof you have been living in the UK.
since I have no stamps on my passport (EEA) can I provide P60 for each year?
council tax is ok? (it's not a utility bill..)

Thanks

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:57 am
by CR001
That's it I created my to do list now. the only thing I'm not sure about is:
Proof of living in the UK: If you are an EEA National, you need to include letters from employers, educational establishments or other government departments, indicating your presence in the UK during the relevant 3- or 5-year period. Bank statements or household bills are not suitable proof you have been living in the UK.
since I have no stamps on my passport (EEA) can I provide P60 for each year?
council tax is ok? (it's not a utility bill..)
P60s are ok, council tax should be ok.

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:09 am
by Blondie33
Thanks again!

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:31 am
by Blondie33
To summarise it - I hope it will help to others as well.
CR001 or someone else will be great if you can confirm.

Citizenship online application require documents as per below:
Proof of nationality: must provide all:
  • Passport -- current applicant passport
  • PR / EU Settelment certificate
  • Evidence of freedom -- which is EU Settelment certificate
  • Certificate of the Life in the UK Test
  • B1 English qualification or higher
  • Proof of living in the UK -- this can be P60
  • Your marriage or civil partnership certificate -- marriage certificate and partner passport
  • Two referee declarations -- Follow up with the referee declaration document
  • evidence of identity -- Passport
Additional process
UKVCAS biometric information for taking photos, finger print and necessary to validate all the documents above (if I understand correctly)

Re: UK Gov AN guide contradiction (or it's me)

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:32 am
by CR001
Correct yes.

I created a detail of Citizenship Online application and would like to ask about UKVCAS

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:23 pm
by Blondie33
***Post merged
Hi all,

I'm trying to prepare as much as I can before I apply to the citizenship since I know there is limited time for submission so I want to be ready in advance. my questions are below and I wrote this in detail to try and help others when they search for help.

As far as I understand, the process divided into two parts Filing the form and the book an appointment at UKVCAS all as per detailed below:

1. Filing an online form: https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an
  • (1.1)Application - This is where I need to provide data about myself and my British spouse (in my case)
    ** No need to mention trips for 2 days or less. only when the trip is for example Monday-Wednesday (1 day absence from UK - please correct me if I'm wrong)
    Actions to take:
    • Provide information only
  • (1.2)Documents - Just need to tick the checkbox of what documents I have.
    Documents needed:
    • Proof of nationality (passport)
    • Life in the UK
    • English B1 certificate
    • Proof of living in UK (Council tax)
    • Proof of being in the UK legally for 3 years (EU settelment) this is instead of PR/ILR
    • marriage certificate (include spouse passport - scan every page)
    • Two referee declarations (need to print hard copy and ask referees to sign)
    • Evidence of ID (Passport/Driving licence)
    • Proof of British citizenship for spouse (spouse Passport)
    Actions to take:
    • Tick the checkbox only
  • (1.3)Referee decleration - Just need to tick the checkbox if I have referees.
    Actions to take:
    • Tick the checkbox only
  • (1.4)Pay - This is where it hurts :)
    Actions to take:
    • Pay with a card
  • (1.5)Further actions - I don't know what it is and what to expect
    Actions to take:
    • This is my question to you
The after, I will be needed to book an appointment for biometric and validate ALL document from above.
2. UKVCAS appoitment: https://www.gov.uk/ukvcas

So here are my questions: :?:
Questions for 1.2
- Do I need to scan and upload all MY passport as well and upload it?
- Do I need to print referee declaration, ask them to sign and then bring it with me to the UKVCAS appointment?
Question for 1.5
- What's in further actions? is this is where they would ask me to book an appointment with UKVCAS?
Question for step 2
- Do I need to print EVERYTHING (even passport pages) and take it with me to the appointment + original hard copy of everything?
- Do I need to take 2 photos with me? (600x750 pixels passport photos)
- This is where hopefully the process ends?

I know it's quite long, but I hope you will be able to help :wink:

Re: I created a detail of Citizenship Online application and would like to ask about UKVCAS

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:27 pm
by CR001

Re: I created a detail of Citizenship Online application and would like to ask about UKVCAS

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:36 pm
by Blondie33
OK I just thought it will be helpful for others if I post a new topic. it's also different.

Can someone please refer to my questions?