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Filling form AN for naturalisation
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:58 pm
by gij007oo
Hi,
I have some questions about the naturalisation application:
Do I have to provide details of 'all' the jobs I have done in the last ten years? It will be very difficult for me to provide the details/specific dates accurately of all the jobs I have done in such a long period.
Do I have to provide the BRP number of ALL my visa applications which I had applied for in the UK? Or reference number of the BRP of my ILR is enough?
I really don't have all the dates when I gave my biometrics for each of these applications.
Do I have print the two forms of the referees and ask them to provide a passport picture for the form and also sign these forms?
I will wait for your replies.
Thank you.
Gijoo
Filling form AN for naturalisation
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:24 am
by gij007oo
Plz reply
Filling form AN for naturalisation
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:18 pm
by gij007oo
Plz plz reply
Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:35 pm
by gij007oo
Hi,
I have some questions about the naturalisation application:
Do I have to provide details of 'all' the jobs I have done in the last ten years? It will be very difficult for me to provide the details accurately of all the jobs I have done in such a long period.
Do I have to provide the BRP number of ALL my visa applications which I had applied for in the UK? Or reference number of the BRP of my ILR is enough?
I don't have the dates on which I gave my biometrics for all my visa applications
Do I have print the two forms of the referees and ask them to provide a passport picture for the form and also sign these forms?
I will wait for your replies.
Thank you.
Gijoo
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:53 pm
by aman90
gij007oo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:35 pm
Hi,
I have some questions about the naturalisation application:
Do I have to provide details of 'all' the jobs I have done in the last ten years? It will be very difficult for me to provide the details accurately of all the jobs I have done in such a long period.
Yes.. preferably as accurate as possible. Anyhow HO should contact HMRC for your past history.. you can do the same.. only it’ll take a month or more
Do I have to provide the BRP number of ALL my visa applications which I had applied for in the UK? Or reference number of the BRP of my ILR is enough?
I don't have the dates on which I gave my biometrics for all my visa applications
ILR
Do I have print the two forms of the referees and ask them to provide a passport picture for the form and also sign these forms?
No. You need to apply ur picture to the declaration form and have them signed by the referees.
Google referee declaration form..
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:20 pm
by gij007oo
@Aman90
Wow, thanks. God Bless You!
There's a question about providing the reference numbers of all previous visa 'applications' and the dates when the biometrics were given.
I don't have the visa application reference numbers. However, I do have colour copies of all the BRPs.
Does the HO really want the application reference numbers of all previous leave to remain visa applications made? If yes, then is it okay to write reference numbers of the BRPs instead of the reference numbers of the visa applications which got me those BRPs? :/
Can the second referee be from any country/nationality? If yes, how am I supposed to make him or her sign the back of my picture? He/she is abroad not here in the UK :p
To my understanding, he/she needs to be from the list of specific professions stated in the list and he/she shouldn't be from my 'immediate' family. Did I get this right?
Prompt replies will be greatly appreciated. God bless you all for running or being active on this amazing virtual community!
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:11 pm
by CR001
Can the second referee be from any country/nationality? If yes, how am I supposed to make him or her sign the back of my picture? He/she is abroad not here in the UK :p
It is the professional referee that can be any nationality. The other referee must be British and over 25 years of age.
To my understanding, he/she needs to be from the list of specific professions stated in the list and he/she shouldn't be from my 'immediate' family. Did I get this right?
Both of the referees cannot be related to you in ANY way, either by blood or through marriage.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:42 pm
by gij007oo
Thank you, Cr001. You are very kind!
Do I need to post my passport sized picture to my second (professional) referee who is not a British Citizen so that he/she can sign the back of it? Is this signature really indispensable?
My first referee is a housewife and is a British citizen. She knows me since a long time. Is such a second non-professional referee acceptable?
Please do also answer the question below. As this is the question which I am finding very tough to answer. I don't have reference numbers of my visa applications.
"There's a question about providing the 'reference numbers' of all previous visa 'applications' and the dates when the biometrics were given.
I don't have the visa application reference numbers. However, I do have colour copies of all the BRPs.
Does the HO really want the 'application reference numbers of all previous leave to remain visa applications' made? If yes, then is it okay to write reference numbers of the BRPs instead of the reference numbers of the visa applications which got me those BRPs? :/"
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:47 pm
by CR001
Do I need to post my passport sized picture to my second (professional) referee who is not a British Citizen so that he/she can sign the back of it? Is this signature really indispensable?
Your photo needs to be glued to the referee form for each referee. They sign the form with your photo on it, not the photo itself.
My first referee is a housewife and is a British citizen. She knows me since a long time. Is such a second non-professional referee acceptable?
Fine.
Please do also answer the question below. As this is the question which I am finding very tough to answer. I don't have reference numbers of my visa applications.
"There's a question about providing the 'reference numbers' of all previous visa 'applications' and the dates when the biometrics were given.
I don't have the visa application reference numbers. However, I do have colour copies of all the BRPs.
Does the HO really want the 'application reference numbers of all previous leave to remain visa applications' made? If yes, then is it okay to write reference numbers of the BRPs instead of the reference numbers of the visa applications which got me those BRPs? :/"
You can out the brp numbers.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:59 pm
by aman90
gij007oo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:42 pm
Please do also answer the question below. As this is the question which I am finding very tough to answer. I don't have reference numbers of my visa applications.
"There's a question about providing the 'reference numbers' of all previous visa 'applications' and the dates when the biometrics were given.
I don't have the visa application reference numbers. However, I do have colour copies of all the BRPs.
Does the HO really want the 'application reference numbers of all previous leave to remain visa applications' made? If yes, then is it okay to write reference numbers of the BRPs instead of the reference numbers of the visa applications which got me those BRPs? :/"
If you read the form closely it says “if known”.
Reference numbers are not important.
Neither knowing the exact dates..
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:31 pm
by gij007oo
Thank you, Aman and Cr001.
Can I glue my photo on the referee form, scan it and then send it to the professional of my home country for the signature and get the 'scanned' copy by email or does it need to be 'posted' back to me?
I want to confirm if wet ink in this case is a must requirement here or not.
I am planning to download the forms from here:
[PDF]
Referees and Identity - Visas and immigration
https://visas-immigration.service.gov.uk › 1st_Referee_Declaration_MN1
Is this the correct form?
Once again thank you very much! God bless you both.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:36 pm
by aman90
gij007oo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:31 pm
Can I glue my photo on the referee form, scan it and then send it to the professional of my home country for the signature and get the 'scanned' copy by email or does it need to be 'posted' back to me?
If I’m not mistaken I think both both referees should be living in the UK. One must be a British citizen and one a professional belonging to any nationality.
Yes correct form
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:27 pm
by gij007oo
Thanks.
Aman, to my understanding, the other referee can be from any country, it is just he/she needs to be a professional from the list provided.
My second referee (professional) lives in a different country. Do I have to post the form with my picture to this person to the foreign country and request him/her to put his details and then post it back to me?
Or
Can I just scan and email the document to him/her which has my picture so that he can print and sign and then re-scan the doc and email it back to me?
Please provide clarity on this. It's really making me worried
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:21 pm
by aman90
gij007oo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:27 pm
My second referee (professional) lives in a different country. Do I have to post the form with my picture to this person to the foreign country and request him/her to put his details and then post it back to me?
Or
Can I just scan and email the document to him/her which has my picture so that he can print and sign and then re-scan the doc and email it back to me?
Please provide clarity on this. It's really making me worried
Im not comfortable answering this..
please wait for a moderator to answer.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:46 pm
by gij007oo
Thanks, Aman.
By the way, I am registered with quite a few agencies which provide me part-time work as and when required so there is no end date with them.
What should I write in the end date section? I have written 01/01/3000 .. Is that acceptable? :p
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:33 pm
by aman90
If there is no end date then leave it blank..
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am
by gij007oo
Aman, it does not let you keep the date section blank. It shows an error on the online form.
I have written to my MP four to five times in the past. I also met him in the parliament once. Is that enough interaction for a professional referee from the UK?
I previously thought that the second referee can be from a foreign country who has not lived in the UK.
Is this correct?
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:12 am
by gij007oo
I also noticed proof of address or being in the UK is also required but bank statements and bills are not acceptable. What is the appropriate proof for this? :/
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:35 am
by CR001
gij007oo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:12 am
I also noticed proof of address or being in the UK is also required but bank statements and bills are not acceptable. What is the appropriate proof for this? :/
None of this is required if you followed the UK immigration visa route. Your passports are sufficient for residence proof.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:41 am
by aman90
gij007oo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am
Aman, it does not let you keep the date section blank. It shows an error on the online form.
I have written to my MP four to five times in the past. I also met him in the parliament once. Is that enough interaction for a professional referee from the UK?
I previously thought that the second referee can be from a foreign country who has not lived in the UK.
Is this correct?
1. I didn’t fill out that part as I’ve only had one job since the beginning. It doesn’t make sense for you to be forced to put in a end date when one can clearly work 3 jobs at the same time.
I guess go for what you has earlier thought of or wait for someone else to answer.
2. Apparently ur professional referee can be based abroad as it’s not clearly stated whether the person needs to be living in UK.
I would think it would be difficult for HO to get in touch with referee if need be and consequently delay an application ( that would be only in the case if applicant is dubious)
3. To do this correctly.. would be.. print out the referee declaration form double sided.
Write ur name & date of birth on back and glue it on the form.
Send atleast 2 copies to ur referee abroad in case he makes a mistake on one
Request referee to scan after filling out and email to you.
Post both forms back to you in case HO wants to see original at some point..
From the above you can see the complexities of the exercise.
4. Can your MP vouch for you if asked? Would he even remember you? Would he give his personal details for you to use?
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 am
by CR001
gij007oo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am
Aman, it does not let you keep the date section blank. It shows an error on the online form.
I have written to my MP four to five times in the past. I also met him in the parliament once. Is that enough interaction for a professional referee from the UK?
I previously thought that the second referee can be from a foreign country who has not lived in the UK.
Is this correct?
Unlikely you can use your MP as a referee, he likely won't even remember who you are.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 am
by aman90
There is a remarkable difference between
Proof of residence and proof of address.
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:44 am
by CR001
aman90 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 am
There is a remarkable difference between
Proof of residence and proof of address.
Presumably this is directed at the OP and not myself?
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:49 am
by aman90
CR001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:44 am
aman90 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 am
There is a remarkable difference between
Proof of residence and proof of address.
Presumably this is directed at the OP and not myself?
..contrary to what you may think.. I’ve a lot of respect for you!
It was for OPs misinterpretation of residence vs address..
Re: Naturalisation application - Work history of 10 years?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:54 am
by CR001
aman90 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:49 am
CR001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:44 am
aman90 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 am
There is a remarkable difference between
Proof of residence and proof of address.
Presumably this is directed at the OP and not myself?
..contrary to what you may think.. I’ve a lot of respect for you!
It was for OPs misinterpretation of residence vs address..
No. You need to apply ur picture to the declaration form and have them signed by the referees.