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Haroon1824 wrote:Respected senior advisers
Just a very quick one
I been to Liverpool on 16/6/16 and ILR REFUSED 322(5) and 245(CD) applied. 17/6/16 visa tier1 expired
Applied for AR on 23/6/16 still waiting for the response.
Solicitor saying from the date the application refused I have to I have to apply for new application by post as AR not yet received. he mentioned to continue 3c I have to withdraw AR and put new application by post.
If AR not receive within 28days then I will go for new application. I'm confused
HiCasa wrote:On what grounds does your solicitor believe that a new application will succeed where the first was refused.
Hi thanks for your replymonty87 wrote:Haroon1824 wrote:Respected senior advisers
Just a very quick one
I been to Liverpool on 16/6/16 and ILR REFUSED 322(5) and 245(CD) applied. 17/6/16 visa tier1 expired
Applied for AR on 23/6/16 still waiting for the response.
Solicitor saying from the date the application refused I have to I have to apply for new application by post as AR not yet received. he mentioned to continue 3c I have to withdraw AR and put new application by post.
If AR not receive within 28days then I will go for new application. I'm confused
Sorry to hear about your refusal. Were you refused based on tax discrepancies? Also, you're not covered by 3C leave for your new application as your Tier 1 has already expired on 17.06.16. You're under grace period of 28 days (overstayer) from the time you withdraw your Admin review or after results of your Admin review if Home Office maintained their decision. Your 3C leave is only until you are waiting for Admin review result. You only continue 3C leave for new application if your apply before your current visa has expired.
You are legally responsible for your tax declarations, not your Accountant.Haroon1824 wrote:HiCasa wrote:On what grounds does your solicitor believe that a new application will succeed where the first was refused.
Thanks for your reply
New application on the basis of accountant error
Thanks
You can challenge any public body decision within 3 months.Haroon1824 wrote:Hi thanks for your reply
Yes based on tax amendments. I'm waiting for my Admin Review result if it goes positive everything will get sorted if not I'll go for JR.
Once I receive AR decision, how many days do I get to file PAP
And I heard if PAP is successful then fine if not JR.
Thanks once again for your precious advice
Look forward from you
Yes but the law also allows room for human errors and that's why HMRC accepts account amendments. Immigrants are not superhuman and they can make mistakes. However, what needs proving is that it was a genuine mistake and not a deliberate act of tax evasion.Casa wrote: You are legally responsible for your tax declarations, not your Accountant.
Note:
Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he or she was unaware of ...
Also Lets assume a person Mr A who made an application for Leave To Remain in October 2012 using a self-employment income of 35K in last 12 months (i.e. October 2011 to September 2012). Mr A had made a profit of just £10K from Oct 11 to Mar 12 but made a profit of 25K from April 12 to Sep 12. Provided that Mr. A only had marginal profit for the periods Apr 11 to Aug 11 and Oct 12 to Mar 13, he would declare his income for the year 2011-12 as 10K + marginal profit and for the tax year 2012-13 as 25K+marginal profit. This is completely fine in terms of the law and he indeed earned 35K from October 2011 to September 2012 but you'd only see the income declared to HO when you add the figures for two financial years together. There’s no attempt of dishonesty here.longhorn wrote:Yes but the law also allows room for human errors and that's why HMRC accepts account amendments. Immigrants are not superhuman and they can make mistakes. However, what needs proving is that it was a genuine mistake and not a deliberate act of tax evasion.Casa wrote: You are legally responsible for your tax declarations, not your Accountant.
Note:
Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he or she was unaware of ...
Home Office states that an accountant must be an accredited one. A person not an expert of accounting and taxation laws pays a fee to the accountant and relies upon information provided by him. If accountant makes a mistake (for example in calculating your tax-free allowance specially if the income you declared falls in two tax years) then you shouldn't be held responsible for not knowing about this as this is the whole reason why you hire an accountant anyway. Another part of story is that the advice you get from Accountant is not always what HMRC requires. For example a lot of accountants are of the view that if you are a director (not self employed) and your dividend income is within basic threshold, you dont need to file a tax return because you don't owe any tax to HMRC. HMRC on the other hand insists every director to file a tax return. Not sure who's correct on this but the fact of the matter is that you hire an accountant to deal with your taxes. if he makes a mistake which you cant easily figure out without having a lot of knowledge of taxation etc then you shouldn't be held responsible for that.
Himonty87 wrote:Haroon1824 wrote:Respected senior advisers
Just a very quick one
I been to Liverpool on 16/6/16 and ILR REFUSED 322(5) and 245(CD) applied. 17/6/16 visa tier1 expired
Applied for AR on 23/6/16 still waiting for the response.
Solicitor saying from the date the application refused I have to I have to apply for new application by post as AR not yet received. he mentioned to continue 3c I have to withdraw AR and put new application by post.
If AR not receive within 28days then I will go for new application. I'm confused
Sorry to hear about your refusal. Were you refused based on tax discrepancies? Also, you're not covered by 3C leave for your new application as your Tier 1 has already expired on 17.06.16. You're under grace period of 28 days (overstayer) from the time you withdraw your Admin review or after results of your Admin review if Home Office maintained their decision. Your 3C leave is only until you are waiting for Admin review result. You only continue 3C leave for new application if your apply before your current visa has expired.
As per your circumstances, you are not eligible for ILR LR until sep 2017. You're considered overstayer from the time of your admin review feedback. Waiting on JR decision or if it is negative does not count towards your 10 years route. It will only count towards your 10 year if JR is successful.Haroon1824 wrote: Hi
Extremely thankful and support from the seniors and gurus
I'm in same situation waiting for AR decision. Applied AR on 23/6/16
Poe Liverpool 16/6/16 and expired 17/6/16
I came in Sep 2007.
If AR result is positive then everything will be ok and if not if I will go for JR if decision goes against me will my 10yr still open or will I be considered as over stayer and if JR hearing is due and for eg still 2-3 months left for 10yr route can I extend the date and can apply for 10yr route n withdraw JR
You have 14 days to apply as it states on your refusal letter. Its difficult situation as HO may still refuse your tier 2 based on deception in previous application following their immigration guideline. JR will depend on whether it was a genuine mistake to evade tax and your weight of argument against HO. Anything outside point based system is arguable in court if you research on tax and public law, immigration rules, and caseworker guidance. Also, you are legally not allowed to work if you submit application by post until application result and not sure if your employer can wait until then. Posting application will get you closer to your set (LR) application and you can apply FLR(O) or FP if Tier 2 gets refused. I can only think of these few options based on the information you have given and current circumstances.Haroon1824 wrote: is it a good option to go for Tier 2 if so within how many days do I need to submit? I'm confused or do I have to go for JR.
Hi,Casa wrote:On what grounds does your solicitor believe that a new application will succeed where the first was refused.
Hi,monty87 wrote:You have 14 days to apply as it states on your refusal letter. Its difficult situation as HO may still refuse your tier 2 based on deception in previous application following their immigration guideline. JR will depend on whether it was a genuine mistake to evade tax and your weight of argument against HO. Anything outside point based system is arguable in court if you research on tax and public law, immigration rules, and caseworker guidance. Also, you are legally not allowed to work if you submit application by post until application result and not sure if your employer can wait until then. Posting application will get you closer to your set (LR) application and you can apply FLR(O) or FP if Tier 2 gets refused. I can only think of these few options based on the information you have given and current circumstances.Haroon1824 wrote: is it a good option to go for Tier 2 if so within how many days do I need to submit? I'm confused or do I have to go for JR.
It is a standard procedure and anyone with no valid leave to remain can be reached via post, email, call or text message by CAPITA or Home Office. You should tell them via email or call them and inform them you are seeking legal advice and want to judicially review Home Office decision and send a reference number for PAP/JR.Haroon1824 wrote: I have filed PAP and I received a text message from HO saying I don't have leave to remain and contact HO is this the normal standard procedure I mean system generated message cause I have already filed for PAP and waiting for the reply
Shall I contact and update Ho about pap or wait till 14 days.Thanks very much