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Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:23 pm**

Ok guys I just submitted my online EEA family permit application & I've a VAC single person appointment in " World bridge " on the 8th of May to submit the below mentioned documents.

This will be a list of the supporting documents included in my application :-

1-printed and signed VAF5 application form.
2- letter of confirmation from my Latvian wife that I will be joining her in the UK.
3- A copy of my wife's passport endorsed by the Embassy of Latvia in Egypt.
4- A letter from my wife's employer confirming her employment on a headed paper
5- A copy of my wife's employment contract
6- A copy of her promotion confirmation letter
7- My wife's last 6 payslips
8- My wife's bank statement
9- Letter from the University of Leicester stating that She is a student and her course dates.
10- Copy of my wife's tenancy agreement from june 2012
11- My passport
12- My passport size picture
13- A letter from me briefly explaining our relation & confirming that I will be joining my wife in the UK.
14- A statement from my university confirming my current enrollment
15- A letter of self employment from my father supported by his CR & the Tax card for his company ( the purpose of this is related to a previously refused visa , explained in a previous post )
16- Original of our marriage certificate translated into English & endorsed by the ministry of interior & the ministry of Foreign affairs
17- Copy of my wife's civil status requested from the embassy of Latvia in Egypt upon previous marriage plans back in 2010
18- Copy of civil status certificate requested from embassy of Latvia in Egypt for our marriage in 2013
19- 40 pictures for both of us and with family & friends including wedding pictures & religious marriage ceremonies with dates and explanations on the back & highlighted dates of printing ( goes back to 2008 ).
20- Seven reference letters ( from her mother,sister,my father & 4 of our friends) confirming that our relation is genuine and that they have met/spoke to us before associated with their passports/IDs photocopies & their signatures on them.
21- My wife's last 4 electronic tickets & a confirmation ltter of her flight to Egypt
22- Bank statements from her bank accounts in Latvia showing dates of transactions in Egypt all the way back to 2006 highlighted
23- Six print screens of skype conversations ( both voice & written )with me since the earliest saved on her desktop computer in Latvia till the latest saved on her laptop.
24- 14 print screens from our Facebook accounts showing conversations & comments on pictures and statuses with dates
25- One page combining screenshots of Call history & 2 pages combining screenshots of conversations from both our Smart phones with dates ( Viber )
26-four tickets for the Library of Alexandria in 2006 ( 2 foreigner tickets for library & museum ) 2 tickets for Egyptian citizen ( original of tickets provided )
27- 2 tickets ( for me & my wife for the bus we have taken from Cairo airport to Alexandria where I live back in 2006 when we first met) , 2 tickets for 2007 as well ( originals provided )
28- Two tickets for entertainment parks ( originals & copies ) 2007
29-Copy of a certificate from a language center in Egypt for a course she has studied in Egypt back in 2008
30- Copy of her employment contract in Egypt in 2009
31 Copy of her outdated passport including all visas to Egypt till 2010
32- Copies of visas to Egypt for 2011 & 2013 from her new passport
33- A copy for the receipt for her wedding ring which I bought.
34- A copy of the contact made with the wedding planner who organised our wedding ceremony with the English translation
35- A copy of the rental contract for our honeymoon villa with English translation

Please submit your opinion about the previously mentioned supporting documents

Thanks in advance

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:29 pm**

Far too many superfluous documents. I hope the ECO can find what he is looking for underneath that mountain of litter.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:35 pm**

Litter !! ... such a very strong word mate .. I appreciate your time though

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:43 pm**

The important points are to demonstrate that you:

Are the family member of an EU national.
That the EU national lives in the UK in accordance with the regulations (or intents to); that being a worker, self-sufficient or student.

Arrange your evidence along those lines. Write a cover letter explaining your evidence if you think it necessary.

Try to avoid duplicate or confusing evidence.

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:14 am**

eng.kamo wrote:Ok guys I just submitted my online EEA family permit application & I've a VAC single person appointment in " World bridge " on the 8th of May to submit the below mentioned documents.

This will be a list of the supporting documents included in my application :-

1-printed and signed VAF5 application form.
2- letter of confirmation from my Latvian wife that I will be joining her in the UK.
3- A copy of my wife's passport endorsed by the Embassy of Latvia in Egypt.
4- A letter from my wife's employer confirming her employment on a headed paper
5- A copy of my wife's employment contract
6- A copy of her promotion confirmation letter
7- My wife's last 6 payslips
8- My wife's bank statement
9- Letter from the University of Leicester stating that She is a student and her course dates.
10- Copy of my wife's tenancy agreement from june 2012
11- My passport
12- My passport size picture
13- A letter from me briefly explaining our relation & confirming that I will be joining my wife in the UK.
14- A statement from my university confirming my current enrollment
15- A letter of self employment from my father supported by his CR & the Tax card for his company ( the purpose of this is related to a previously refused visa , explained in a previous post )
16- Original of our marriage certificate translated into English & endorsed by the ministry of rubbish & the ministry of Foreign affairs
17- Copy of my wife's civil status requested from the embassy of Latvia in Egypt upon previous marriage plans back in 2010
18- Copy of civil status certificate requested from embassy of Latvia in Egypt for our marriage in 2013
19- 40 pictures for both of us and with family & friends including wedding pictures & religious marriage ceremonies with dates and explanations on the back & highlighted dates of printing ( goes back to 2008 ).
20- Seven reference letters ( from her mother,sister,my father & 4 of our friends) confirming that our relation is genuine and that they have met/spoke to us before associated with their passports/IDs photocopies & their signatures on them.
21- My wife's last 4 electronic tickets & a confirmation ltter of her flight to Egypt
22- Bank statements from her bank accounts in Latvia showing dates of transactions in Egypt all the way back to 2006 highlighted
23- Six print screens of skype conversations ( both voice & written )with me since the earliest saved on her desktop computer in Latvia till the latest saved on her laptop.
24- 14 print screens from our Facebook accounts showing conversations & comments on pictures and statuses with dates
25- One page combining screenshots of Call history & 2 pages combining screenshots of conversations from both our Smart phones with dates ( Viber )
26-four tickets for the Library of Alexandria in 2006 ( 2 foreigner tickets for library & museum ) 2 tickets for Egyptian citizen ( original of tickets provided )
27- 2 tickets ( for me & my wife for the bus we have taken from Cairo airport to Alexandria where I live back in 2006 when we first met) , 2 tickets for 2007 as well ( originals provided )
28- Two tickets for entertainment parks ( originals & copies ) 2007
29-Copy of a certificate from a language center in Egypt for a course she has studied in Egypt back in 2008
30- Copy of her employment contract in Egypt in 2009
31 Copy of her outdated passport including all visas to Egypt till 2010
32- Copies of visas to Egypt for 2011 & 2013 from her new passport
33- A copy for the receipt for her wedding ring which I bought.
34- A copy of the contact made with the wedding planner who organised our wedding ceremony with the English translation
35- A copy of the rental contract for our honeymoon villa with English translation

Please submit your opinion about the previously mentioned supporting documents
Thanks in advance

in my opinion,there is too many confusing documents in that list,as EUsmileWEallsmile mentioned in his previous message and explained,don't give the entry clearance officer the opportunity to refuse your family permit as it could give him a reason just refuse..what u should submit if u must is the passports,marriage certificate,a letter from the eu citizen explaining exercising her treaty rights as a worker and that you will be traveling together or u joining her,proofs she is working and that she is a qualified person,so the payslips are good,the contract as well,the bank statement and also u can send some pictures from when u started the relationship,wedding photos and so on to prove the relationship , sending documents that your wife is also a student might confuse the ECO.
if u supply documents that she is a student and a worker,the ECO can just choose and pick on what ground he wants to treat your case.

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:12 am**

Dont include student letter... Otherwise they wikl say you need insurance...

Just employment

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:16 am**

My wife is currently distant learning student mate .. What kind of insurance are u referring to ... she has a national insurance number is that it ?

Thanks for your answers everyone

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:38 am**

eng.kamo wrote:My wife is currently distant learning student mate .. What kind of insurance are u referring to ... she has a national insurance number is that it ?

Thanks for your answers everyone

as wiggsy mentioned in his reply,if u supply the student documents they would ignore the work documents and still refuse u on the basis that she need private health insurance(its needed for eu citizen when they are in the country as students) and once you are in the uk you are obliged to have the same cover for yourself and any other dependent u may have in your household..
obviously it doesn't apply to u because your wife work in the same time so she can rely on her being exercising her treaty rights as a worker and she can avoid paying for private health insurance,but the problem relies on the ECO and how he will interpret the tonne of paper work and supporting documents you are supplying..it will be definitely a strong reason for the ECO to deny you the visa,and at the end of the day he knows your right to have it,but if they have an opportunity to slow u down and make you wait for months,he will do it for sure just because they love putting peoples lives on hold and they love spending tax payers money on legal fees on cases they are not going to win.they just do it because they can.

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:19 pm**

ok, directive 2004/38/ec applies to four groups:
Employed
Self employed
Student
Self Sufficient.

The first two: Worker -(Employed and Self employed) do not require Compusary health insurance. The second two do.

If you include the student letters, they will say your wife is in the third category... Student, despite being a worker...

Even if you only work part time, you want to apply on the basis of worker... it has many benefits over student etc (IE: full access to anything a british person can access: Free nhs etc - whilst being in the worker group)

Only supply the following:
invite letter from wife stating she is a worker and is excersising treaty rights as an employee of XXXX.
Couple of payslips to show such - or the promotion letter.
Marriage cert, and both passports...

that is all that your *required* to supply...

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 pm**

ok then, Thanks so much guys U all are great.I will update you guys if anything new comes up.

Cheers

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:13 pm**

eng.kamo wrote:Dear forum,

This will be a different question I guess, but I can definitely use the help of the experts here I'll state my case then ask my questions if you will.
The Case:
I applied for a general visit visa to the UK ( 5 & 1/2 ) months ago and it was refused, my now wife who used to be my girlfriend back then has been living & working in UK for the past 2 years back at that time when I applied we had some issues over where we should settle when we get married and it was tough times we barely talked to each other back then as we are both stubborn she didn't want to leave UK while I didn’t want to leave my home country Egypt , so I thought to visit UK to see my chances with living over there but due to our issues back then when I was filling my visa application I answered the following question with a " NO "
"Do you have any family or friends inside UK?"
I had a mindset at the time that this question is basically regarding whether if I am going to stay with anyone when I arrive to UK which I wasn’t going to do.
Anyways my visa was refused due to insufficient financial evidence as I was a newbie back then and didn't include a proof of my father's employment. I had my time checking online about the possibilities of completing my studies in the UK as I am really close from getting my degree in Engineering here & I didn't want to lose that if I would have moved and dumped my studies. Eventually me and my wife agreed on getting married and moving to live with her over there and I will be working and studying in the same time.
We are about to submit an application for an EEA family permit now after we got married and we have gathered all the information needed and the evidence that can support our application , we have been in a relation for over 8 years now so we have plenty of evidence to prove that it's a genuine relation THANKS TO GOD
The Questions:
1. Given that I didn't mention that I know someone in UK when I applied for the general visit, by any chance is that going to be considered fraud or withholding information whenever the ECO will be reviewing my EEA family permit application ?

2. Given that my visa was refused and in a matter of few months I am applying for a family permit, is that going to affect my chances in anyway?

3. Should we mention in both our cover letters that thing mentioned above or it might backfire ?

I really appreciate the help you guys are giving over here & Thanks in advance

lLucapooka wrote:It's not relevant to the application but you can mention it if it would make you feel better.

Jambo wrote:I have a different view. Your actions in the past might cause the ECO to suspect marriage of convenience.

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:20 pm**

eng.kamo wrote:I was thinking the same way Jambo, It's a very durable relation 8 years of age just with the typical ups and down in any other relation if u will.

When i applied i did all the application without any help especially from her since we didn't talk much back then due to the arguments over where we should settle

what do u suggest ??

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:21 pm**

In your case, if you have ready evidence of long-standing relationship, I would be inclined to include it.

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:49 am**

This is the only flaw in my application since it is a really genuine relation and not a marriage for convenience.

I don't want anything to backfire, we have taken off the papers that indicated she is enrolled for studies in university to avoid the questions about private health insurance and now I just want to know whether I should put in my letter a little explanation about why I didn't mention her in my previous visa or just act as if didn't happen ...

Its very confusing

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