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self sufficient person

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:43 pm
by Tarpon
Can anyone tell me what documents in addition to bank statements are need to prove that one is self sufficient?

I know sickness insurance is required.
Would that be required for the whole 5 years or only while the application is being approved? (dont we get access to NHS as EEA and his non-EEA family resident in UK?)

Are there any drawbacks to claiming to be self sufficient rather than in work that I should be aware of?
Is the dreawback the cost of health insurance?

Thanks

Bearing in mind the edits bellow, my main question becomes what would I need to provide to prove I was such a self sufficient person at the stages of
1. when applying for the 5 year family residence
2. when applying for permanent residence after 5 years.

EDIT TO ADD
I got this;
1.4
Students and ‘self-sufficient’ people
EEA nationals who are students have a right to reside if they:
•are enrolled in an accredited college;
•have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the UK; and
•can provide an assurance that they (and their family) have sufficient resources not to become a burden on the UK social assistance system during their period of residence

People who do not have a right to reside under any other category can also have a right to reside as a ‘self-sufficient person’ if they can satisfy the last two bullet points.
Directive 2004/38/EC prevents Member States from setting a fixed amount to be regarded as ‘sufficient resources’ for these purposes, stipulating that the personal situation of the person should be taken into account. The UK authorities may take the view that a person has sufficient resources if they have an income in excess of their ‘applicable amount’ for means-tested benefits including the Housing and Council Tax Benefit they would qualify for, but welfare rights groups have questioned if this is consistent with European case law.14

AND from http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/polic ... /eun/eun1/

Self-sufficient person - The EEA national must be able to show evidence that they have sufficient resources not to become a burden on the social assistance system and have comprehensive sickness insurance cover. There is no fixed amount that is regarded as 'sufficient resources'. The personal situation of each applicant must be taken into account.

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:57 pm
by Obie
Self sufficient person cannot benefit from Surinder Singh in the UK.

However if a British Citizen has worked and resided in another member state, they are not required to work or be self-sufficient when they return to the UK.

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:37 pm
by ukforever
Obie wrote:Self sufficient person cannot benefit from Surinder Singh in the UK.

However if a British Citizen has worked and resided in another member state, they are not required to work or be self-sufficient when they return to the UK.
i agree with obie.

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:18 am
by Tarpon
Oh, I see....

So if I work in an EEA country (for say a year or more, with my wife present as I work on a visa then with a FP) and return to UK under a 'Surinder Singh' to bring my non-EEA wife into UK, I dont need to work or claim self sufficient in order for us to stay.
BUT what about in 5 years when going for PR? will I have to at that point show I have been working or self sufficient for the 5 years in UK? Or am I in the clear as long as I have say a tenancy agreement and some utility & council tax bills in my/our name?


Thanks for putting me right, I was seriously mixed up with this...

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:12 am
by vinny
Please continue in previous thread.