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EEA family permit
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:45 pm
by Kristof
Hi everyone!
I have a question regarding a copy of my passport.
''a copy of your EEA national passport (endorsed by your embassy in the country of application)''
I understand it can't be just a photocopy of my passport but I'm not sure what does endorsed by my embassy in the country of application mean.
Help please!
Redards!
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
by Greenie
it means the embassy endorse the copy to confirm it is a genuine copy.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:04 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
Are you applying for a UK issued EEA Family Permit? Which embassy?
I personally would not go out of my way to provide that for them. I would just provide a photocopy of the passport page, or a photocopy of the national ID card of the EEA person. If they really want a certified copy they can ask you for it explicitly, or look up in their database to check that what you have provided is valid. You could also always should them the original.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:59 pm
by Kristof
Yes, I'm gonna apply for UK family permit. Embassy in Kiev.
So what should I do? just photocopy?
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:45 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
If you have an member state issued ID card and a passport, you could just give the ID card. Or just submit a photocopy and see if they ask for more detail. Or submit what they ask for, which is more work for you ahead of the FP application...
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:12 pm
by Kristof
Could you please advice me one more thing.
I've been in the UK for 1 month and I got a job recently. So I'm exercising my treaty rights. We want to apply in May. I'll be able to provide payslips and bank statement for last 1 month only. Should I provide it or should I say nothing about employment as I have a right to be here up to 3 months as a not qualified person?
Thanks for Help!
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:41 am
by Directive/2004/38/EC
I assume you are the EEA citizen. When did you arrive in the UK? Do you already have a payslip?
Who is the EEA FP for? What is the relationship exactly?
If you have been there more than three months, then you need some evidence that you are working. A payslip or letter from your employer is fine.
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:25 am
by Kristof
I arrived to the UK like month ago. I started to work week ago. I'm payed weekly so in May I would be able to provide 4-5 paysleeps.
FP is for my wife. Ukrainian citizen. We got married in Septemper 2010. We have 4 months old baby.
You advice to show them those payslips and bank statement?
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:52 pm
by Kristof
Could anybody advice me in this case please
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:12 pm
by Kristof
Hey guys
I need your help with the documents. We want to apply soon but we are still confused. Could you please tell me if this list of documents is ok, is there anything else we should provide?
1 Application
2 Passport
3 Marriage certificate+ translation
4 Our son's birth certificate+ translation
5 My wife's divorce certificate+ translation
6 Photocopy of my passport and original ID card
7 Pictures, mobile billings, skype history
8 Cover letter
Anything missing?
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:30 pm
by Kristof
Could anyone help me please?
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 10:27 pm
by jrge
Have you included : * One passport sized color photograph?.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:22 am
by Kristof
yes we have.
Is there anything else we should add?
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:07 am
by jrge
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:34 pm
by Kristof
thank you very much!
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:14 pm
by Kristof
Two more questions. I had been living in the Uk for 2,5 years till August 2010. Than i came back to my country for 7 months. Month ago I came back to the UK.
1) Does that 7 months spent in my country ''restarts the clock'' and now I'm in UK again as a newcomer?
2) If I'm again a newcomer than should I send together with application my payslips and bank statements? I statred work 2 weeks ago.I know that if less than 3 months than it's not required but how gonna be better? Ether to send them bank statements and payslips for last 1 month or 1 month statement will not look too good and better not to send it at all??
Kind regards!
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:42 pm
by jrge
Kristof wrote:Two more questions. I had been living in the Uk for 2,5 years till August 2010. Than i came back to my country for 7 months. Month ago I came back to the UK.
1) Does that 7 months spent in my country ''restarts the clock'' and now I'm in UK again as a newcomer?
2) If I'm again a newcomer than should I send together with application my payslips and bank statements? I statred work 2 weeks ago.I know that if less than 3 months than it's not required but how gonna be better? Ether to send them bank statements and payslips for last 1 month or 1 month statement will not look too good and better not to send it at all??
Kind regards!
I'm afraid you need the help of the gurus for this particular
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:40 pm
by Kristof
Anyone of the gurus could help me PLEASE!Please! please!
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:25 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
Kristof wrote:FP is for my wife. Ukrainian citizen. We got married in September 2010. We have 4 months old baby.
You advice to show them those payslips and bank statement?
So baby was born very roughly Jan 1, 2011.
Kristof wrote:Two more questions. I had been living in the Uk for 2,5 years till August 2010. Than i came back to my country for 7 months. Month ago I came back to the UK.
1) Does that 7 months spent in my country ''restarts the clock'' and now I'm in UK again as a newcomer?
2) If I'm again a newcomer than should I send together with application my payslips and bank statements? I statred work 2 weeks ago.I know that if less than 3 months than it's not required but how gonna be better? Ether to send them bank statements and payslips for last 1 month or 1 month statement will not look too good and better not to send it at all??
Kind regards!
You left the UK in August 2010.
So you had a baby on roughly Jan 1, 2011.
And you are back in March 2011.
Directive 2004/38/EC speaks directly about leaving your host country because of the birth of a child.
CHAPTER IV RIGHT OF PERMANENT RESIDENCE
Section I Eligibility
Article 16 - General rule for Union citizens and their family members
1. Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.
2. Paragraph 1 shall apply also to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and have legally resided with the Union citizen in the host Member State for a continuous period of five years.
3. Continuity of residence shall not be affected by temporary absences not exceeding a total of six months a year, or by absences of a longer duration for compulsory military service, or by one absence of a maximum of 12 consecutive months for important reasons such as pregnancy and childbirth, serious illness, study or vocational training, or a posting in another Member State or a third country.
4. Once acquired, the right of permanent residence shall be lost only through absence from the host Member State for a period exceeding two consecutive years.
So as long as this is the only absence of more than 6 months, it does
not reset your clock. Your clock started 2.5 years before August 2010. Note that the clock started when you, an EU citizen, entered the UK so long as you started worth within 3 months of that...
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:01 pm
by Kristof
actually the reason was not a birth of my child. I went back to my country and thought I will stay there longer. So anyway I have to provide bank statements , payslips etc??? what if I have been working for only 3 weeks now? Would it be ok if I provide bank statement for last 1 month only?
Thank you for help!
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:18 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
If you show you are working in the UK, then you are perfect. A single pay slip or a letter from your employer will do that.
I do not see any reason to provide bills or bank statements. I don't think I would provide it.
As an aside, you might want to think through exactly why you were outside of the UK. For the birth of your baby, and working through the related issues that it puts on a couple, seems to me to be related. It may well be that it was for none of these reasons, in which case your PR clock likely resets. Read through the rules carefully and consider whether you qualify under any of the different options.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:34 pm
by Kristof
OK! Great! thanks a lot!!!!!!!! I thought that bank statements and some exact amount of money on my account are the must. As for accomodation... is it requirement? or I can ignore it in my application as I dont know the adress where we gonna live in the UK?
Thank you!
Regards!
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:12 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
Kristof wrote:OK! Great! thanks a lot!!!!!!!! I thought that bank statements and some exact amount of money on my account are the must. As for accomodation... is it requirement? or I can ignore it in my application as I dont know the adress where we gonna live in the UK?
The documentation list for the Residence Card is pretty clear.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... cklist.pdf (I know this is not what you are applying for, but it is basically the same as for what you are applying for).
The list for the EEA FP is also clear and simple:
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply ... s#22715004
In the case you are working, you need to provide some evidence of that.
In all cases you need to prove the relationship (marriage certificate), and need to provide two passports or one passport and an ID card.
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:46 pm
by Kristof
Directive/2004/38/EC once again thanx a lot for help!!!!
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:06 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
I find this very funny. It is from the body of the application form VAF5:
Please ensure you submit all the relevant original documents that you want the Entry Clearance Officer to see when considering your application. The list below is for guidance only. It is not a list of documents that you should or must supply.
They also all sorts of seemingly irrelevant things in VAF5. It is not clear on what basis they ask for the non-EU applicants occupation and salary, as it is not relevant at all to a Family Permit application.