NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

[daboss]

Hi all,
I have a NARIC compatibility letter but don't have the letter from my university to go with it. I don't know how long it would take to sort that out.
I was wondering if they would accept my UK qualifications - Post Graduate Diploma and Post Graduate Certificate in Education from recognized universities as proof of knowledge of English. Suggestions please.
Thank you

[antouk]

@akash08, Yes you are right, may be in tom.tom's case something is not right. But my case is very obvious, i didnt show them the comparability part in the PBS sheet, that was a silly mistake from my side.

[akash08]

@akash08, Yes you are right, may be in tom.tom's case something is not right. But my case is very obvious, i didnt show them the comparability part in the PBS sheet, that was a silly mistake from my side.

However, you have been asked to submit the language letter from University as well which is not required after you have proved English language points from PBS. If they have asked you only about statement of compatibility fine. Also, how much time it takes for them to enter your qualification in PBS? They have to enter exactly what you have given them to prove the language competency. There is no rule mate. I do not want to comment on Government policy in this forum as I guess it is not allowed but these silly rules say enough..

I would be holding my breath to see the outcome of your case. Like you, there is no way I can get that letter from the University. Good Luck.

[antouk]

@akash08, Yes you are right, may be in tom.tom's case something is not right. But my case is very obvious, i didnt show them the comparability part in the PBS sheet, that was a silly mistake from my side.

However, you have been asked to submit the language letter from University as well which is not required after you have proved English language points from PBS. If they have asked you only about statement of compatibility fine. Also, how much time it takes for them to enter your qualification in PBS? They have to enter exactly what you have given them to prove the language competency. There is no rule mate. I do not want to comment on Government policy in this forum as I guess it is not allowed but these silly rules say enough..

I would be holding my breath to see the outcome of your case. Like you, there is no way I can get that letter from the University. Good Luck.

I have the letter from the University, but my wife doesnt have. I am going to send them the NARIC cert, PBS sheet and a letter stating the problems in getting the language cert from the university. Hopefully they should accept those docs, fingers crossed. But as you said, it is not appropriate for them to ask a NARIC statement at this point after granting all those HSMPs, Tier 1s. Silly.

[majic]

Hi All,

I am about to apply for Citizenship and Originally I was only going to submit Degree Cert + PBS Calc Printout because of two reasons:

1. A number of people on this forum have done that
2. Most Importantly the Home Website suggests that Degree Cert + PBS Calc Printout should suffice
https://www.gov.uk/english-language

Question is:
I have a letter of Comparability from UK NARIC which I got in 2007 which confirm my Degree is comparable to UK Bachelors Degree & I also have a letter from the University (Australian) also issued in 2007 stating that the course was Delivered in English. Both these were used in my Initial HSMP Application.

1. Shall I submit the UK NARIC Letter from 2007 and University Letter from 2007 along with Degree Cert + PBS Calc Printout?
2. These letters were issued in 2007; Should I be getting them again?

[IndiMarshall]

Hi All,

I am about to apply for Citizenship and Originally I was only going to submit Degree Cert + PBS Calc Printout because of two reasons:

1. A number of people on this forum have done that
2. Most Importantly the Home Website suggests that Degree Cert + PBS Calc Printout should suffice
https://www.gov.uk/english-language

Question is:
I have a letter of Comparability from UK NARIC which I got in 2007 which confirm my Degree is comparable to UK Bachelors Degree & I also have a letter from the University (Australian) also issued in 2007 stating that the course was Delivered in English. Both these were used in my Initial HSMP Application.

1. Shall I submit the UK NARIC Letter from 2007 and University Letter from 2007 along with Degree Cert + PBS Calc Printout?
2. These letters were issued in 2007; Should I be getting them again?

old NARIC letter should be enough I think..

[IndiMarshall]

From the following link
https://www.gov.uk/english-languagev

it is very clear that any person applying for citizenship needs to have

1)A letter for univ sayin that your degree is taught in English.
2)UK NARIC as the equivalent of a bachelor’s, master’s or PhD degree in the UK
3)Printout of Points based calculator.

Thats my understanding after speaking to Hampshire NCS counselling this morning.

Get your NARIC letter and be at peace instead of making yourself more and more anxious.

Up untill this monring I thought printout out of PBS Calculator and a certificate from uni is enough..but guys.the rules says have the above threee...

another hole to the pocket.. Googling abt NARIC now

Alternatively you can have
ESOL alone as mentioned in the link

[ILR_9_MAY]

Hi All,
In the thread its mentioned many times that the PBS calculator awards 10 points for English. Is it automatically awarding these points based on qualifation entered?
My case : Applying for ILR
Tier 1
Provided University Degree ( India ) recognised on PBS , provided University letter confirming degree taught in English at previous Tier 1 application & secured 10 point for English language.

When I use PBS calculator now, I do get 30 points for Degree but for English it provides me options as
1. I am a national from a majority English speaking country
2. I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English
3. I have passed an approved English language test
4. I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
5. I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

Its not automatically awarding points. I am thinking of using opotion (4).

Can someone shed light as to are the English language points awared automatically based on your Qualification in PBS calculator?

Chetan

[navareth]

Hi all,

I have posted the below message on another thread almost 3 weeks ago but haven't got any reply. I just thought that I could get an answer here instead, and apologies if this is against the forum's policy.

I have been having this question below, but could not find a firm answer to it. I am going to apply for naturalisation in July. I have a bachelor and master's degrees and both were fully taught in English. When I tried the PBS calculator, it awarded 30 points for my Bachelor and 35 points for my Master's (which, I assume, means that UK NARIC recognise my degrees to be equivalent to a bachelor and master degree in the UK). However, the calculator awarded 0 point for the English language in both cases although both studies were fully taught in English.

My understanding is that HO require me to prove the following:
1. My degree / qualification is recognised by UK NARIC as equivalent to UK bachelor's degree; and
2. My degree was taught in English
.....
My question, could I use the following documents to prove the 2 points above?
1. Print out from PBS calculator showing that I am awarded 30 and 35 points for the degrees. This is to prove point 1 above.
2. Original degree certificate and an official letter from my University stating that the study was fully taught in English. This is to prove point 2 above.

Or do I still need to get the UK NARIC statement of comparability? Anyone in similar situation, it would be greatly appreciated if you could share your experience as well please.

Cheers.

--Nav

[AksJohn]

Hi All,

I am trying to understand whether degree certificate and printout from Points Based Calculator are enough for proving knowledge of English language for Naturalisation application.

Having read through this thread entirely I understand there is mixed feedback. Some say that printout is enough while some others say they have been asked for UK NARIC assessments.

Just a few weeks ago while checking PBC, my degree was being awarded 30 points. However now it only shows 0 points. I have checked with few other degrees as well, like my husband's, and one of the images posted on this thread and they all come back with 0 points now. This makes think probably this is why just printout of PBC isn't enough anymore. We would have to get UK NARIC assessments done.

Any thoughts?

Also, can someone please advise what service I need from UK NARIC? Is it Statement of Comparability or English Language Assessment or Both?

Many thanks in advance.

-- Aks

[nm]

Hi,

Could you confirm if the NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree for dependant also ? My wife was in Tier1 General Dependant and then changed to ILR. We both planning to apply for citizenship and i want to know she can use the PBS calculator to prove the English language requirement ? Her Degree is recogonized in PBS and awarding 10 points.

Appreciated if someone could help me answering this please ?

[shervin]

Hi,

I am in the similar situation. I came to UK on HSMP using the PBS with 35 points for my masters degree then got transfered into Tier 1 in April 2010 and then I got ILR in May 2013 using the PBS and got 35point for my degree till my ILR. I am planning to apply for Citizenship.

To satisfy the English language qualification requirement (KOLL) for UK Citizenship.

1) Do I need to get the NARIC certificate to prove that my degree is taught in English
or
2) Will my Degree certificate and Language certificate that shows my degree was taught in English are enough. I have done my masters degree from Osmania University, India and the PBS does recognize this Uni.

Along with the Life in UK Certificate.

Please can you suggest!!

[nm]

Hi,

I have given a try using the PBS calculator and got 10 points for my english language and 35 points for my qualification. I have selected the option as below.

In this section, you must score ten points for your English language skills at the time of application or your application will be refused.

If you are from a majority English speaking country you can automatically claim ten points for English language skills.

If you are not from a majority English speaking country, you can claim points either for an English language test or a degree taught in English equivalent to a Bachelor's degree or above in the UK.

How would you like to claim points for English language skills?

I am a national from a majority English speaking country
I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English
I have passed an approved English language test
I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

I have selected the option ' I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application ' for the PBS calculator.

Could some one clarify if i can use this PBS printout to proof my English language along with my original degree certificate ?

[go2khurram]

Hi,

I have given a try using the PBS calculator and got 10 points for my english language and 35 points for my qualification. I have selected the option as below.

In this section, you must score ten points for your English language skills at the time of application or your application will be refused.

If you are from a majority English speaking country you can automatically claim ten points for English language skills.

If you are not from a majority English speaking country, you can claim points either for an English language test or a degree taught in English equivalent to a Bachelor's degree or above in the UK.

How would you like to claim points for English language skills?

I am a national from a majority English speaking country
I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English
I have passed an approved English language test
I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

I have selected the option ' I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application ' for the PBS calculator.

Could some one clarify if i can use this PBS printout to proof my English language along with my original degree certificate ?

Yes PBS printout showing the points along with original degree certificate are acceptable as evidence

[nm]

Hi,

I have given a try using the PBS calculator and got 10 points for my english language and 35 points for my qualification. I have selected the option as below.

In this section, you must score ten points for your English language skills at the time of application or your application will be refused.

If you are from a majority English speaking country you can automatically claim ten points for English language skills.

If you are not from a majority English speaking country, you can claim points either for an English language test or a degree taught in English equivalent to a Bachelor's degree or above in the UK.

How would you like to claim points for English language skills?

I am a national from a majority English speaking country
I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English
I have passed an approved English language test
I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

I have selected the option ' I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application ' for the PBS calculator.

Could some one clarify if i can use this PBS printout to proof my English language along with my original degree certificate ?

Yes PBS printout showing the points along with original degree certificate are acceptable as evidence

Hi,

I have called up the NCS Halton to book an appointment and they have ask me to get the UK NARIC certificate. I have tried to explain her that NARIC not required if the PBS recogonize my degree and provide points for my english and also i was a Tier1 General previosuly . However she has asked me to get the NARIC and she will not process my application if i dont get the NARIC.

Any one had such experience ?

[AksJohn]

Hi All,

I am trying to understand whether degree certificate and printout from Points Based Calculator are enough for proving knowledge of English language for Naturalisation application.

Having read through this thread entirely I understand there is mixed feedback. Some say that printout is enough while some others say they have been asked for UK NARIC assessments.

Just a few weeks ago while checking PBC, my degree was being awarded 30 points. However now it only shows 0 points. I have checked with few other degrees as well, like my husband's, and one of the images posted on this thread and they all come back with 0 points now. This makes think probably this is why just printout of PBC isn't enough anymore. We would have to get UK NARIC assessments done.

Any thoughts?

Also, can someone please advise what service I need from UK NARIC? Is it Statement of Comparability or English Language Assessment or Both?

Many thanks in advance.

-- Aks

I have figured out why PBS calculator sometimes shows me 30 points for my degree and sometimes shows 0 points.

On 31 March 2009 there were changes to Tier 1 (General) so that no points would be awarded for a Bachelor’s degree. However from 6 April 2010 this change were reversed and 30 points were awarded for a Bachelor’s degree.

My husband’s first application was in Nov 2008. Hence he receives 30 points for his Bachelor’s degree. I applied on a dependant basis in Aug 2009. If I use the date of my husband’s application for the PBS Calculator I get 30 points for my Bachelor’s degree and 10 points for English. However if I use the start date on my Tier-1 visa I get 0 points.

I am not sure if PBS calculator printout (using my husband’s date) will be accepted in my case. I will write to UKVI and reply to this post if I find out.

[AksJohn]

An extract from an email with UKVI:

If you have a qualification that was taught or researched in English you can meet the language part of the requirement if:
- Your qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK, or
- Your qualification was taught or researched in an English speaking country other than Canada (see list below).

You will need to send your certificate as evidence of your qualification.

UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded 20 points or more for your degree, and an additional ten points for English language, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement. (See Q7 and Q8 below also)

Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). (UK NARIC will only issue an ELA for a degree that is comparable to a UK degree, so it will not be necessary to also request a Statement of Comparability).

[keeptrying]

Hi Aks,

Would it be possible to forward the UKVI email?

The NCS service in Cambridge have asked for a NARIC certificate but are willing to consider communication with HO confirming that PBS recognized degree is deemed acceptable. I thought (https://www.gov.uk/english-language) is sufficient proof but I could be wrong.

My query with UKVI so far hasn't proved useful. I got a boiler plate reply, to the extent that it almost seems automated. If I can take the reply you obtained, that might prove good enough for them.

Can you forward the reply you got to quancern at gmail com?

[AksJohn]

I am sorry, I cannot forward the original email. However I have attached it as an image with this post after taking out my personal details. Click on the two images to open them up fully. You can save the images to your computer and print them.

You can show NCS the printout of Guide AN Page 13 - 14 as well.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... N_v1_0.pdf

Hope this helps.

-- Aks

[keeptrying]

Thank you. This is very helpful.

[IndiMarshall]

Its no more the case

http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1060727

NARIC is mandatory if u dont have UK Degree or B1 CEFR

[vivdubes]

Apologies I cant see where it says NARIC being mandatory.. On page 13 it says

"Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by the
Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in English
at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification; OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show us
that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK degree)14
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English speaking
country
• (For applicants outside the United Kingdom) evidence as directed by the office of
the Lieutenant-Governor, the office of the Governor, the British Embassy, the
British High Commission or the British Consulate.
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October 2013,
in order to obtain settlement."
I am sure having one of the above should be sufficient, I know at least 3 of my friends who have got BC based on the PBS calculator.. so when did it become mandatory.. It is nice to have a peaceful sleep with NARIC by your side.. but mandatory I doubt..

[IndiMarshall]

Apologies I cant see where it says NARIC being mandatory.. On page 13 it says

"Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by the
Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in English
at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification; OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show us
that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK degree)14
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English speaking
country
• (For applicants outside the United Kingdom) evidence as directed by the office of
the Lieutenant-Governor, the office of the Governor, the British Embassy, the
British High Commission or the British Consulate.
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October 2013,
in order to obtain settlement."
I am sure having one of the above should be sufficient, I know at least 3 of my friends who have got BC based on the PBS calculator.. so when did it become mandatory.. It is nice to have a peaceful sleep with NARIC by your side.. but mandatory I doubt..

can you give me the link of where u got this form please?

[vivdubes]

I just picked it up from your link..here you go..
british-citizenship/eng-lang-requiremen ... l#p1060727

[sun01intherain]

Hi,

I have given a try using the PBS calculator and got 10 points for my english language and 35 points for my qualification. I have selected the option as below.

In this section, you must score ten points for your English language skills at the time of application or your application will be refused.


I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

I have selected the option ' I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application ' for the PBS calculator.

Could some one clarify if i can use this PBS printout to proof my English language along with my original degree certificate ?

Yes PBS printout showing the points along with original degree certificate are acceptable as evidence

Hi,

I have called up the NCS Halton to book an appointment and they have ask me to get the UK NARIC certificate. I have tried to explain her that NARIC not required if the PBS recogonize my degree and provide points for my english and also i was a Tier1 General previosuly . However she has asked me to get the NARIC and she will not process my application if i dont get the NARIC.

Any one had such experience ?[/quote]

please update your situation. i am about to apply the same visa and also have the same way to claim the knowledge of english points. thanks