137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

[fasi2530]

Hi

I got email today that my passport will return to the visa application center today so hopefully tomorrow i will get my passport. I just wanted to confirm that I only got 1 email from home office is that I did not get visa. as I follow the forums and many people says who got 2 emails from home office they got the visa, very tensed any idea .

regards

Muhammad Faisal

[Tonujax]

When sending the forms as a couple do you put both forms in one envelop with the supporting evidence ?

[buktais]

I did not include Benefits Section with my application, as I was exercising Treaty Rights as a worker and claimed benefits, but I was entitled to do so. I did not mention them in my Personal Statement either. I'm an A8 national. My application was successful It took 5weeks to process.

[Uzzybhatti]

Hi all I am posting here regarding some information if anyone here can help me It would be great.
Basically I am getting married next month and I am in UK from last 8 years I wanted to know that my wife she was born in UK but held Irish passport as well because her parents were from Ireland. I have been looking on UKba website and if I ago for British rule I have to pay a lot more money and nhs surcharge as well which I don't want to pay as I am paying taxes from last 8 years to cut long story short which form I have to fill in to send home office to apply as a spouse of an EEA national some has told me that it could be EEA2 .
So if anyone here knows which form I have to fill in kindly please reply me ASAP

Regards
Uzzy

[secret.simon]

Re Uzzybhatti's query, see also here

[kundi54]

hi

need help regarding my eea2 application

i am from india and i married with a hungariain girl, i applied for eea2 visa in december. got confirmation letter and acknowledgemnt after 4 weeks
after 4 months,ukba officers visited to my flat but we were not at home and then wrote a letter to home office that we were at work when u visited. and again they vistied to my flat afer 1 month but unfortunately i left home early for work and wife was at home, they started asking so many questions with her and she was scared and could not answer them properly and she said that my husband left for work but they didnt agree and told her this is not real and its all drama.
finally officer take her signature on the paper which was written that it is not true relationship
they said to my wife that we will reject your application and send back to your country .

please please please suggest me what i will have to do next

[lake1]

Am not sure if this is a consolation but the form has been reduced to 91 pages, 07/15 version.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... orm-eea-fm

[vinny]

New slightly shorter EEA(FM) and EEA(EFM) forms introduced.

[Obie]

Yes I still find the 91 pages EEA(FM) and the 76 pages EEA(EFm) still unacceptable , and contained numerous unlawful requirements.

It is like going from unlawful to slightly less unlawful, it is still unlawful in any event.

[bluecole2]

Can I write to UKVI (as they are now known) requesting an application form as I do not know how to use the computer ?

[robsters]

The form Is mad. Asking if people are in receipt of benefit.

Asking for divorce petitions to be provided.

It is crazy.

Just to make sure is it the EEA FM 91 pages the right form? everyone saying 100 + pages but i only see the 91 page document here for surinder Singh cases. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... orm-eea-fm

we plan to apply, also it states integration into EEA Country and example is child born there....my wife got pregnant there but she is due in dec she gone through most the pregnancy in Ireland do you think that will help with the centre of life test or would it possibly go against us as we moved to uk for her to give birth here?

if the application is refused on surrinder singh cases can you appeal and how often do people get refused? she has 5 months left on her family permit and want to apply for the uk residence card soon and i cant afford for it to go wrong with a child on the way

[mfhkay]

as i was reading the guide they mentioned

It’s not mandatory to use the EEA(FM) application form but it will assist us in dealing with your
application more efficiently if you do. Even if you choose not to use this form, you must pay the
specified fee, submit the relevant supporting documents and (if you’re a non EEA national) give
your biometric information.
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it means it is not necessary

[albrechtjc]

Dossier sent on May 7, 2015
permanent resident card received today 06/10/2015.
Application was sped up by contacting member of parliament.
Good Luck to All.
Just a word on the submitted documents: took 2 month to compile, much effort was made to read it and present it in a very professional manner.

[tigerram]

Hi people,

I am confused and I don't want to make a mistake. I will be marrying my non EEA spouse, who is living in the Philippines, in HK in December. My dual-nationality is being rescinded and by the time we apply for a visa, I will be Irish.

I want to make sure if it is the EEA (FM) form I must use, or should it be done online (at this address: https://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk/account/register ), as she resides abroad? Also, what documentation must I include, is a tuberculosis test needed, etc. And should I be brave and just send a letter and biometrics...what are they?

Confused. I just don't want to make a mistake when the time comes. Please help.

[tigerram]

Anyone able to help?

[noajthan]

Hi people,

I am confused and I don't want to make a mistake. I will be marrying my non EEA spouse, who is living in the Philippines, in HK in December. My dual-nationality is being rescinded and by the time we apply for a visa, I will be Irish.

I want to make sure if it is the EEA (FM) form I must use, or should it be done online (at this address: https://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk/account/register ), as she resides abroad? Also, what documentation must I include, is a tuberculosis test needed, etc. And should I be brave and just send a letter and biometrics...what are they?

Confused. I just don't want to make a mistake when the time comes. Please help.

Mabuhay!

What visa do you think you need?

Are you talking about an EEA Family Permit?
ie to bring your non-EEA dependent family member (spouse) with you into UK?
with you being an EEA national, (not a BC), planning to exercise treaty rights in UK?

If so you could start here:
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/overview

Best of luck for your wedding day (& your future immigration journey).

P.S Re TB ...

An applicant applying for an EEA family permit is not required to produce a certificate showing them free from active pulmonary TB as EEA family permits are valid for six months.

Ref: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... issues-med

[tigerram]

Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?

[noajthan]

Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?

My understanding is you have to submit original documents, including passport.

I think you would submit your bundle of supporting documents to a regional processing centre.
What do the instructions say about where to send all the documents?

[teardrops]

Hi obie,
my only concern by this new ridiculous EEA application form is actually section 18 of the form. in this section, they asked the applicant for information about any public fund or state benefits they or their eea national sponsor are claiming or have claimed since they have lived in the uk. i have the feeling HO will start refusing application from eea national and their family members who r claiming in-work benefits like tax credits, housing and council tax benefits. i might be wrong but i just have the feeling this could be another strategy from HO to frustrate eea national and their family member in this county.

Hi Obie, I am finding the forms getting more silly than anything esle. I have just submited an application and they wanted to know how much benefits my ex was claiming. I simple do a long cover letter explainig that he was getting beneifts in 2003 for a few months but have no idea of how much it was and for the exact date and time he was receving it. These people become such pain in the mule to say the least. I was shock by the repetitive questions. I have change three passport since am living in this country, I lost the very old passport I came in this country with. I never reported it lost becuase it is expired and without any validity. I sent it for P.R but was refused becuase my husband was getting pension credits for three years during the marriage and they have no immigration history about me.

I have summited one other epired passport along with the currnet one and explain that I came here with a passport and was give a visa when I came here. These are things that is at the finger tip of HO but yet they chose to be difficult. I came here since 1999 from a very far country, I cannot take a boat or ship to get me here hence I was landed here with my country passport hence I was given a visa. I never knew that getting pension credit is benfeits an E.U citizen is not entitled to ?

[joneeboy]

by noajthan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:24 pm




tigerram wrote:
Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?

My understanding is you have to submit original documents, including passport.

I think you would submit your bundle of supporting documents to a regional processing centre.
What do the instructions say about where to send all the documents?
A person can always be sure of what they don't know. They might not be sure of what they know.

We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand. E&OE.
1. It is your wife who will apply for the EU/EEA Family Permit, not you.
2. If her normal place of residence is the Philippines, that is where she should make her application.
3. Applications in the Philippines are made through an 'Application Centre' in Manila. Initial application is made online at which time an appontment is booked at the application centre. Applicant personally visits centre,carrying a downloaded and signed copy of the application, all the required documents, a simple letter of support from you, and two recent passport size photos.
4.There is no charge for a Family Permit, but there is a modest 'handling fee'.
5. Tha Agency checks everything and sends it on to the Embassy the same day.
Applicants usually pay a fee to have passport and all docs returned by Special Delivery, but I believe there is an option to collect oneself too.
It is NOT necessary to send the originals of any document issued by the UK Governmen such as your passport, or your certificate of Renunciation of Citizenship. Copies are accepted at the Manila Embassy, and I have that in writing. She will have to submit an original marriage certificate.
6. At present, Family Permits are issued by the Manila Embassy in under 2 weeks.
7. You can find all the details on the website of the British Embassy in Manila, and the links to the visa application centre, whose website has full and detailed instructions. Its quite a simple process compared to having to get a visa for the UK.(Which has a current reject rate of over 35% in the Philippines!).
How do I know? I'm also a former British/Irish Citizen who renouced his British citizenship, and was also married in HongKong to a Filipina. The only difference is that I was resident in the Philippines, as was she, and we chose to marry on Hong Kong because its easier and so much better than the bureucratic Philippines system. Now we are in the UK.

[Carling40]

hi all,
i could do with some advice from anyone who has had a successful application using a previous EEA4 form or anyone who knows really
I intend to apply for confirmation of my right with a previous EEA4 form, what do i do regarding the biometrics section? am i supposed to print off the biometric section from the current version with the rest of the old version?
i hope this makes sense
i await your help as always gurus
thanks

[tigerram]

by noajthan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:24 pm




tigerram wrote:
Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?

My understanding is you have to submit original documents, including passport.

I think you would submit your bundle of supporting documents to a regional processing centre.
What do the instructions say about where to send all the documents?
A person can always be sure of what they don't know. They might not be sure of what they know.

We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand. E&OE.
1. It is your wife who will apply for the EU/EEA Family Permit, not you.
2. If her normal place of residence is the Philippines, that is where she should make her application.
3. Applications in the Philippines are made through an 'Application Centre' in Manila. Initial application is made online at which time an appontment is booked at the application centre. Applicant personally visits centre,carrying a downloaded and signed copy of the application, all the required documents, a simple letter of support from you, and two recent passport size photos.
4.There is no charge for a Family Permit, but there is a modest 'handling fee'.
5. Tha Agency checks everything and sends it on to the Embassy the same day.
Applicants usually pay a fee to have passport and all docs returned by Special Delivery, but I believe there is an option to collect oneself too.
It is NOT necessary to send the originals of any document issued by the UK Governmen such as your passport, or your certificate of Renunciation of Citizenship. Copies are accepted at the Manila Embassy, and I have that in writing. She will have to submit an original marriage certificate.
6. At present, Family Permits are issued by the Manila Embassy in under 2 weeks.
7. You can find all the details on the website of the British Embassy in Manila, and the links to the visa application centre, whose website has full and detailed instructions. Its quite a simple process compared to having to get a visa for the UK.(Which has a current reject rate of over 35% in the Philippines!).
How do I know? I'm also a former British/Irish Citizen who renouced his British citizenship, and was also married in HongKong to a Filipina. The only difference is that I was resident in the Philippines, as was she, and we chose to marry on Hong Kong because its easier and so much better than the bureucratic Philippines system. Now we are in the UK.

Thanks ever so much.

[Lespa]

I don't know if anyone pointed out but you can simply use the old form, write a cover letter and point them in direction of the:
Home Office Guide
Processes and procedures: EEA documentation applications – v3.0 Published for Home Office staff on 08 October 2015
link is below

Page 8 talks about using previous forms or just writing a letter.
Also Every section has this quote:

An EEA(PR) form can be used to submit an application. However, you must not refuse or reject an application because it is not on the right form. A letter requesting a document certifying permanent residence or permanent residence card, or an application made on one of the previous forms (EEA3 or EEA4), is acceptable as long as:
 the correct fee is submitted with the application
 the applicant gives their biometric information if they are a non-EEA national applying
on or after 6 April 2015

this particular one is from PR section on page 19, but it is the same on all other sections (find section for your case and check)

I spoke recently to EEA applications team about this and something else as I am not a strait forward case and asked them if I included printout of their own guides and rules, would I come across as patronising.
The guy I spoke to told me that if I phoned for an advice, that is exactly what he would advised me to do. Print relevant pages, point out the source and highlight sections concerning you.
He said that makes officers jobs much easier and they appreciate if you don't just presume they will know EVERYTHING...(weather they should be aware of their own rules and policies is question for another discussion)

But anyway, don't bother with the new form, its too long, too intrusive (why would anyone want to know what language my KIDS speak at home is beyond me) and if you feel confident about your case, just use the old, simpler form and send them a copy of the guideline that says you can do that.

Oh, yes, very important !!! make sure you include the correct fee (currently £65 I believe) and biometrics pages from the new form.

Here is the link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... s_v3_0.pdf

Hope this helps

[joneeboy]

The long application form is covered in this article amongst other things highlighting the way in which this government creates a hostile environment for migrants.

http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/blog/2 ... nt-which-n

This does not link to any information about the long application form, but only to the website home page. The disadvantage of the migrantsrights.org.uk website is that it has neither an index or a search facilitmore than an hour of scrolling I gave up.

[DFDS.]

I have seen the 129 pages EEA Application form. What exactly is this for.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... orm-eea-fm

It looks like it is a means of Frustrating people to pay more postage, and additional legal fees.

Utterly crazy, and unnecessary, and a cynical measure.