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can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by razorray » Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:09 am

I'm a full uk citizen. My partner is Zimbabwean. Who has indefinite leave to remain refugee status. So she can't visit Zimbabwe. Would us getting married make ant difference to her situation? I just don't know what the best way around this is. Thanks any help appreciated

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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by razorray » Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:34 am

razorray wrote:I'm a full uk citizen. My partner is Zimbabwean. Who has indefinite leave to remain refugee status. So she can't visit Zimbabwe. Would us getting married make any difference to her situation? I just don't know what the best way around this is. Thanks any help appreciated

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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by CR001 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:57 am

Suggest be patient and not bump your thread less than 30 minutes after first posting. It is a Saturday, we have families too.

As soon as someone is available who can and is willing to offer advice, I am sure they will.
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Post by CR001 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:03 am

The link below might be of interest.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/genera ... 09182.html
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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by noajthan » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:13 am

razorray wrote:I'm a full uk citizen. My partner is Zimbabwean. Who has indefinite leave to remain refugee status. So she can't visit Zimbabwe. Would us getting married make ant difference to her situation? I just don't know what the best way around this is. Thanks any help appreciated
The purpose of the question is unclear.

Even if you marry, partner's ILR status won't change.

Does partner want to visit her country? why?
Does she need to visit her country? who says so?

A member reported on their case only last week; they had visited their country in similar circumstances and an application for citizenship was then refused:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 10308.html

It may be prudent to sit out out, play the long game.
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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by razorray » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:14 pm

Hi she wants to visit family members her mom and son who live there. She's been diagnosed with a rare condition,and they have never seen each other face to face. That's the reason.

She's not allowed to travel to Zimbabwe,any other country she can apart from there. So would marrying her jelp in anyway of saying getting a different status?
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Post by CR001 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:17 pm

Suggest a rendezvous/sojourn to meet them in the northwest province in South Africa might be a better option for her (currency at least very favourable) so as to avoid risking her current status/future citizenship application.
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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by razorray » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:23 pm

She seems to think that getting married to me a full uk citizen who be the best option. As she can apply for british citizenship.

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Post by noajthan » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:34 pm

razorray wrote:She seems to think that getting married to me a full uk citizen who be the best option. As she can apply for british citizenship.
If partner has iLR she can apply anyway (if ILR was granted 12 months or more ago),
That potential waiting time is removed if you marry, that is all.

A naturalisation application may take 4 or 6 months (or more), so that approach won't work if its an emergency.
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Post by secret.simon » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:35 pm

Think about it coldly and dispassionately.

She has claimed refugee status. In other words, she has claimed and probably provided proof that she is in danger if she is in Zimbabwe.

She now voluntarily returns to Zimbabwe. That means either that the situation that she fears has come to an end (and so would her refugee status) or that it was obtained by deception.

Even citizenship obtained by deception can be revoked. So, acquiring British citizenship is no good in this instance either.
CR001 wrote:Suggest a rendezvous/sojourn to meet them in the northwest province in South Africa might be a better option for her (currency at least very favourable) so as to avoid risking her current status/future citizenship application.
CR001's via media solution of meeting in South Africa is likely the best and safest option. Being from near that neck of the woods, I would trust her judgment on it.
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Post by CR001 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:50 pm

CR001 wrote:Suggest a rendezvous/sojourn to meet them in the northwest province in South Africa might be a better option for her (currency at least very favourable) so as to avoid risking her current status/future citizenship application.
Sorry, should have stated clearly, it is the Limpopo Province in SA that borders Zim. Musina is the town close to the border.
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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by razorray » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:59 pm

noajthan wrote
If partner has iLR she can apply anyway (if ILR was granted 12 months or more ago),
That potential waiting time is removed if you marry, that is all.

A naturalisation application may take 4 or 6 months (or more), so that approach won't work if its an emergency
She was awareded last october. So what's the best option? So is marriage pointless then?

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Post by noajthan » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:15 pm

razorray wrote:noajthan wrote
If partner has iLR she can apply anyway (if ILR was granted 12 months or more ago),
That potential waiting time is removed if you marry, that is all.

A naturalisation application may take 4 or 6 months (or more), so that approach won't work if its an emergency
She was awareded last october. So what's the best option? So is marriage pointless then?
If partner obtained ILR last October then she could apply to naturalise in her own right this October.

That is assuming all other requirements for the privilege of citizenship have been/can be met, including:
LITUK, proof of English, residency, proof of physical presence in UK 5 years before date of application, absences within limits, sound mind, referees, good character & etc.

You probably couldn't arrange a wedding to take place much before October anyway.

If you want to get marry then suggest marry for other reasons than for migration.
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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by ouflak1 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:19 pm

razorray wrote:
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noajthan wrote

If partner has iLR she can apply anyway (if ILR was granted 12 months or more ago),
That potential waiting time is removed if you marry, that is all.

A naturalisation application may take 4 or 6 months (or more), so that approach won't work if its an emergency.

She was awareded last october. So what's the best option? So is marriage pointless then?
I think maybe there is a point here that the other posters here have alluded to, but has somehow been missed.

What were the specific reasons she was granted asylum? The reason why the UK granted her asylum was because the UK government was convinced that her life was in danger if she returned. If that situation has not demonstrably changed, then it doesn't matter if she is a citizen, has ILR, and/or if her mother is sick. None of that matters if two days after she returns she is dead, especially if she ends up dead for the exact same reasons that she claimed asylum in the first place. If that situation has changed, then she should be able to demonstrate that change of circumstances to the UK government before attempting to return no matter what her status here in the UK is.

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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by razorray » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:33 pm

ouflak1 wrote:
razorray wrote:
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noajthan wrote

If partner has iLR she can apply anyway (if ILR was granted 12 months or more ago),
That potential waiting time is removed if you marry, that is all.

A naturalisation application may take 4 or 6 months (or more), so that approach won't work if its an emergency.

She was awareded last october. So what's the best option? So is marriage pointless then?
I think maybe there is a point here that the other posters here have alluded to, but has somehow been missed.

What were the specific reasons she was granted asylum? The reason why the UK granted her asylum was because the UK government was convinced that her life was in danger if she returned. If that situation has not demonstrably changed, then it doesn't matter if she is a citizen, has ILR, and/or if her mother is sick. None of that matters if two days after she returns she is dead, especially if she ends up dead for the exact same reasons that she claimed asylum in the first place. If that situation has changed, then she should be able to demonstrate that change of circumstances to the UK government before attempting to return no matter what her status here in the UK is.

There was no way the government would of sent her back
For one she had a child with a british man who was about 2 years old when she claimed asylum. The child is classed as British,he is now 9 years old. I was not on the scene. Some zim people just got lucky with papers and have no strings attach to any British person,and they are allowed to travel backwards and forwards to Zimbabwe. I just don't know how they did it when they all say the same thing.

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Re: can my partner ever visit her own country ever again?

Post by ouflak1 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:45 pm

razorray wrote:
ouflak1 wrote:[
What were the specific reasons she was granted asylum? The reason why the UK granted her asylum was because the UK government was convinced that her life was in danger if she returned. If that situation has not demonstrably changed, then it doesn't matter if she is a citizen, has ILR, and/or if her mother is sick. None of that matters if two days after she returns she is dead, especially if she ends up dead for the exact same reasons that she claimed asylum in the first place. If that situation has changed, then she should be able to demonstrate that change of circumstances to the UK government before attempting to return no matter what her status here in the UK is.

There was no way the government would of sent her back
For one she had a child with a british man who was about 2 years old when she claimed asylum. The child is classed as British,he is now 9 years old. I was not on the scene. Some zim people just got lucky with papers and have no strings attach to any British person,and they are allowed to travel backwards and forwards to Zimbabwe. I just don't know how they did it when they all say the same thing.
If she had been granted DLR or some other kind of leave based on her partner or her child, then she would be able to return to Zimbabwe, assuming of course that the reasons she instead claimed asylum in fact did not exist.

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