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Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:13 pm

Hi Everyone, I am following this forum for long time but newly registered here. I saw a lot of confusion about job creations and some rejections as well so i am worried about myself as well.

I have one full time employee 130/m for 13 months so this is one job but for second job
my situation is below for job 2:

Emp A: 01/12/15 -31/03/17. total 16 month Part time 96 hrs/month
Emp B: 01/12/15- 31/07/16. total 8 months Part time 80 hrs /month
Emp C: 01/08/16- 28/02/17 total 7 months Part Time 80 hrs/ month


Am I safe to cover one job from above 3 employees as per new rules & how do I combine them in the table in application form/cover letter so it does not create confusion for CW as i saw one member was rejected for same sort of confusion. Your help will be much Appreciated

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:17 pm

In your application make sure you state this as three jobs:

Job 1 : FT person
Job 2 : Employee A. Mark Job 3 to the question which job this should be combined with
Job 3 : Employee B and C in separate rows. Mark Job 2 to the question which job this should be combined with
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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:10 pm

Thank you Marcnath for your reply.
I was looking at the application form 04/2017 version but cant find where to MARK that its combined with other job.there are 2 tables in the form but in my case i have 3 jobs and 4 employees. this is so confusing for me to put them in the right format for CW to avoid confusion and possible rejection although I know i have fulfilled the jobs requirements but ts very typical how to put them in front of CW.

I will be much thankful if you kindly Guide me on this. if possible and have couple of minutes to draw rough sketch they way i shud show them will help me a lot. thanks
marcnath wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:17 pm
In your application make sure you state this as three jobs:

Job 1 : FT person
Job 2 : Employee A. Mark Job 3 to the question which job this should be combined with
Job 3 : Employee B and C in separate rows. Mark Job 2 to the question which job this should be combined with

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:15 pm

Table 3b2 - Table of evidence for employment created (please photocopy if you have multiple
jobs
)


Job number:
Job title:
Date post created:
If this job is being combined with another job to make equivalent of 1 full time job, indicate which
job:
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:21 pm

Thank you so much this helps alot and makes sense to me, i did not know i can photocopy i thought I have to accommodate all in given 2 tables. one more thing DATE JOB CREATED will be the date of extension or the date employee actually joined as 2 of them have continued who had joined before extension while 2 new hired after extension. Many thanks for your support
marcnath wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:15 pm
Table 3b2 - Table of evidence for employment created (please photocopy if you have multiple
jobs
)


Job number:
Job title:
Date post created:
If this job is being combined with another job to make equivalent of 1 full time job, indicate which
job:

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by QSDanik » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:18 pm

and I think make sure Job 2 and Job 3 should have same job title if to be considered as one job. isnt it Marcnath?

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:42 pm

QSDanik wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:18 pm
and I think make sure Job 2 and Job 3 should have same job title if to be considered as one job. isnt it Marcnath?
No, there is no requirement that the combined jobs have to be the same. In fact, there was one case here that got rejected because it was the same job title. (Though I think that was an incorrect decision. Don't remember if it was updated after AR.)
I then suggested that you always make it different - even if it cashier 1 and cashier 2 to avoid that
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:44 pm

ZK700 wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:21 pm
Thank you so much this helps alot and makes sense to me, i did not know i can photocopy i thought I have to accommodate all in given 2 tables. one more thing DATE JOB CREATED will be the date of extension or the date employee actually joined as 2 of them have continued who had joined before extension while 2 new hired after extension. Many thanks for your support
marcnath wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:15 pm
Table 3b2 - Table of evidence for employment created (please photocopy if you have multiple
jobs
)


Job number:
Job title:
Date post created:
If this job is being combined with another job to make equivalent of 1 full time job, indicate which
job:
Date job created is exactly that - the date that job was first created in your company. It has nothing to do with your extension
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:56 am

Many Thanks Marcnath

Date job created is exactly that - the date that job was first created in your company. It has nothing to do with your extension
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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm

So in my case I have Emp A,B & C all sales assistants. what should be job titles ?
job 2: sales assistant, job 3: sales assistant OR Job2: ales assistant 1, job3: sales assistant 2




and I think make sure Job 2 and Job 3 should have same job title if to be considered as one job. isnt it Marcnath?
[/quote]

No, there is no requirement that the combined jobs have to be the same. In fact, there was one case here that got rejected because it was the same job title. (Though I think that was an incorrect decision. Don't remember if it was updated after AR.)
I then suggested that you always make it different - even if it cashier 1 and cashier 2 to avoid that
[/quote]

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:39 pm

ZK700 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm
So in my case I have Emp A,B & C all sales assistants. what should be job titles ?
job 2: sales assistant, job 3: sales assistant OR Job2: ales assistant 1, job3: sales assistant 2




and I think make sure Job 2 and Job 3 should have same job title if to be considered as one job. isnt it Marcnath?
No, there is no requirement that the combined jobs have to be the same. In fact, there was one case here that got rejected because it was the same job title. (Though I think that was an incorrect decision. Don't remember if it was updated after AR.)
I then suggested that you always make it different - even if it cashier 1 and cashier 2 to avoid that
[/quote]
[/quote]
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:40 pm

Many Thanks Marcnath, much appreciated
marcnath wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:39 pm
ZK700 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm
So in my case I have Emp A,B & C all sales assistants. what should be job titles ?
job 2: sales assistant, job 3: sales assistant OR Job2: ales assistant 1, job3: sales assistant 2




and I think make sure Job 2 and Job 3 should have same job title if to be considered as one job. isnt it Marcnath?
No, there is no requirement that the combined jobs have to be the same. In fact, there was one case here that got rejected because it was the same job title. (Though I think that was an incorrect decision. Don't remember if it was updated after AR.)
I then suggested that you always make it different - even if it cashier 1 and cashier 2 to avoid that
[/quote]
[/quote]
marcnath wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:39 pm
ZK700 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm
So in my case I have Emp A,B & C all sales assistants. what should be job titles ?
job 2: sales assistant, job 3: sales assistant OR Job2: ales assistant 1, job3: sales assistant 2




and I think make sure Job 2 and Job 3 should have same job title if to be considered as one job. isnt it Marcnath?
No, there is no requirement that the combined jobs have to be the same. In fact, there was one case here that got rejected because it was the same job title. (Though I think that was an incorrect decision. Don't remember if it was updated after AR.)
I then suggested that you always make it different - even if it cashier 1 and cashier 2 to avoid that
[/quote]
[/quote]

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:36 pm

ZK700 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:56 am
Many Thanks Marcnath

Date job created is exactly that - the date that job was first created in your company. It has nothing to do with your extension
[/quote]

sorry to be pain but i was filling this part now and one more confusion is start date. so for employees who were hired before extension lets say 01/01/2014 their POST CREATED date will be their job start date but what date shall i write in the table in START DATE box, lets say my extension was approved on 25/11/2015.thanks

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:51 pm

Again, just the actual start date. Remember to add the FPS that confirms that even if it was before your extension grant
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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:03 pm

marcnath wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:51 pm
Again, just the actual start date. Remember to add the FPS that confirms that even if it was before your extension grant
Thanks for your reply, so if i mention start date the actual date ( and include FPS to proof) then will they automatically consider the period from extension for jobs requirement? or how do i make this clear to them, i guess i can also explain this in cover letter as well. coz they way rejecting nowadays make me worried. thanks

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by marcnath » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:06 pm

ZK700 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:03 pm
marcnath wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:51 pm
Again, just the actual start date. Remember to add the FPS that confirms that even if it was before your extension grant
Thanks for your reply, so if i mention start date the actual date ( and include FPS to proof) then will they automatically consider the period from extension for jobs requirement? or how do i make this clear to them, i guess i can also explain this in cover letter as well. coz they way rejecting nowadays make me worried. thanks
Yes, they will.
Anyway, you will only be providing payslips, FPS, etc. for the period after extension (in addition to the start date FPS)
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Job Creation confusion

Post by ZK700 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:16 pm

many thanks for your time and assistance Marcnath, stay blessed
marcnath wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:06 pm
ZK700 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:03 pm
marcnath wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:51 pm
Again, just the actual start date. Remember to add the FPS that confirms that even if it was before your extension grant
Thanks for your reply, so if i mention start date the actual date ( and include FPS to proof) then will they automatically consider the period from extension for jobs requirement? or how do i make this clear to them, i guess i can also explain this in cover letter as well. coz they way rejecting nowadays make me worried. thanks
Yes, they will.
Anyway, you will only be providing payslips, FPS, etc. for the period after extension (in addition to the start date FPS)

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