information about naturalisation

[bakko]

hello
i do apologies if i am on the wrong topic as it's my first time on this forum .
i want some information or shared experience on naturalisation , i am about to apply for naturalisation and i have something in mind i want to clear or get more information before i send my application
i came to uk in 2004 entered with forged documents since then been working with the same document not a problem until in 2009 when i got married to an eea spouse then i had my 5 years residence card through a solicitor who put every details of how i arrived to uk then after 5 years gone pass i applied for PR which was successful , my 12 months are passed so i guess i have to right to apply for naturalisation , my question is will the home office see my time spent here before i applied for the first 5 year residence as breach to immigration law as they didn't have any record of me being in the country but then i have no problem with getting PR . or the home office will only check upon to the 5 years i lived here before i send my application as i understood if you apply through EEA route you only need the satisfy the home office for the last 5 years you lived here up to the day you apply .
please share your experience .
much appreciation

[CR001]

my question is will the home office see my time spent here before i applied for the first 5 year residence as breach to immigration law as they didn't have any record of me being in the country but then i have no problem with getting PR .

Yes, HO will check your full history and all previous applications you made. Citizenship LAW is completely different and separate to the EEA rules/regulation, best not to confuse the two. For RC and PR, you were not required to meet the Good Character requirement. For Citizenship you do and you will likely fail it.

or the home office will only check upon to the 5 years i lived here before i send my application as i understood if you apply through EEA route you only need the satisfy the home office for the last 5 years you lived here up to the day you apply .

HO ask for 10 years history and when you entered the UK. If you put information that is different to what you stated in your RC application, you risk refusal with deception. Do not confuse the requirements you have to meet for EEA route and Citizenship. They are separate and not linked at all.

[bakko]

hello
thank you for a reply to my post
i only have two applications with the home office the first is when i applied for RC and the second for the PR and all the information given are the same and i mentioned how my first entry to the uk was like and i will put the same information again when filling the BC application as i have no intention to change any information first given . Because i didn't disappear under the uk immigration law as they didn't have any record of me in the past and i only came to a light for them when i applied for my first application RC , as i have few of my mates in the same situation the only thing is they gained their BC 5 years ago and gone through the same been here illegally for a number of years then got married had PR applied for BC and had it no problem unless the rules have changed in these last few years and HO do more checks now than before .
so to my understanding the HO ask for 10 years history even if they didn't have any record of you for a full 10 years in uk or they or they ask you to give details of when you first entered the uk if is less than 10 years , but then they ask to prove you been here for the last 5 years upon to the date you send you application and you have to prove as well you been physically present and living in the uk for those 5 years .
can you please let me know if there is a set of different rules of the rout you take to apply for BC for someone who have PR through EEA route or ILR as sometimes i read posts in here people can only apply for BC after they have lived here for continuous 10 years as they came here on uk visas or something similar but not through EEA .
sorry for the long post
your reply is much appreciated

[CR001]

. can you please let me know if there is a set of different rules of the rout you take to apply for BC for someone who have PR through EEA route or ILR as sometimes i read posts in here people can only apply for BC after they have lived here for continuous 10 years as they came here on uk visas or something similar but not through EEA .

Same rules to apply for citizenship for everyone. People who got PR under the eea route get no special privileges as British citizenship is nationality laws and not eu/eea rules at all.

A person DOES NOT have to live for 10 years before they can apply for citizenship. The form asks for 10 years information IF relevant and a person has been here that long. Most of us who have applied have lived for 5/6 years when we apply for citizenship.

The Good character requirement is new yes and came into effect in December 2014 so your friends might have applied before that came into effect, see link below.

british-citizenship/british-citizenship ... 05532.html

Note that it is not about "disappearing"!! You entered illegally with false documents and worked with false documents for 5 years. HO may very well consider you a person not of good character.

[bakko]

hello and thanks for a reply again .
as the good character have a big influence on BC and result on rejection what are the chances or the waiting time until someone who fails good character can apply does it have a time limit on when we can apply or is there any other way to argue with the home office through some good solicitor regarding the way and time spent here before being regularized .
thanks in advance

[CR001]

You can't "argue" the fact that you entered illegally and use false documents for 5 years!!

Unlikely you will be successful with citizenship until at least 10 years from the date of your marriage to the EU citizen. Whether HO holds the use of false documents/identity against you for longer than that, no one can say because they do take such fraud/criminal issues seriously.

[bakko]

hi gain
thanks for following my post appreciate your response
the thing is with my situation i am the only person that knows about it as the HO have no record of me since the first time entering the uk until the day i applied for my RC there is no proof of me working or
doing any other activity in uk , but when i sent my application for the RC the only thing been mentioned in it and that was through a solicitor is date when i first entered uk and through where (port of entry ) , things like entered with false DO haven't been mentioned at all and other thing is that when i arrived here i even have set up some utility bills with my name as i use to live in rented property can that help regarding the 10 years prior to applying as i been reading some solicitors websites there is a confusion on counting the 10 years time , does it starts from the time you been granted the stay in uk or the time of first arrival with the proof of being physically in uk .
regards

[CR001]

For citizenship, you must have had 10 years of LEGAL residence. You don't have 10 yeas legal residence yet.

HO will check your immigration history and see what was declared previously about when you entered the UK. HO will then likely write to you asking for documents and information.

You cannot hide anything from HO.

Your 10 yeas starts from the date you married your EU citizen spouse.

Your choice if you wish to apply now, whether you wish to withhold information from HO or not.

Good luck.

[kayden636]

you have yoused decepetion in ur past application and home office wont tel you in any other application but with bc application ho wil check evryry thing the day u inter uk and then thay wil refuse you plus it wil mostly efect u in ur pr

[trilobite1981]

Hi Bakko

I’m not a professional but thought it would be helpful for you if I raise some questions (you may have already think about these).

1. Do you have a valid passport?

2. AN form asked when and where did you first arrive in the UK.

3. Your immigration application history.

Does your answers comply with other documents you have at the moment?

Would you be able to provide 2 referees to support your application?

[bakko]

hi trilobite

Re: information about naturalisation

Unread post by trilobite1981 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:03 pm



I’m not a professional but thought it would be helpful for you if I raise some questions (you may have already think about these).

1. Do you have a valid passport? yes i have a valid passport issued in 2014

2. AN form asked when and where did you first arrive in the UK. yes arrived in 2004 london

3. Your immigration application history. live illegal until until i got married in 2009 and had RC
the 5 years lived here HO have no record on whatsoever .

Does your answers comply with other documents you have at the moment? didn't quiet get the meaning of this question but i suppose i have some documents yes

Would you be able to provide 2 referees to support your application? yes i would if you mean the two referees that can sign my application i guess i do .
thank you for your reply

[bakko]

you have yoused decepetion in ur past application and home office wont tel you in any other application but with bc application ho wil check evryry thing the day u inter uk and then thay wil refuse you plus it wil mostly efect u in ur pr

hi thank you for your reply
i don't think i have use deception or hidden something , i could have said anything i wanted on my first application as there was no proof or anything like it that can prove wrong , all i did is i answered exactly on was was asked by the HO application without getting myself in deep explanations that will only harm my case , all questions been answered and checked by qualified solicitor at the first time who accepted to take my case the way first entered and place where i lived and what i been doing the only thing is that my record for the immigration date wasn't there as i never dealt with them until i got married , i don't see any deception here .
sometimes you need to answer exactly as what the question asks you to and not need to go through a long explanation that you can get lost in translation especially when dealing with HO.
by the way i have a reviewed file with the solicitor when i applied for my PR and that was sent from the home office as he asked for it .
thank you for your time and hope to receive any helpful information from you .
KIND REGARDS

[kayden636]

when you told that u came on forged document thats deception

[bakko]

when you told that u came on forged document thats deception

as i said everything been mentioned coming with forged Document is one thing and deception is other .
thanks for your time

[kayden636]

any way few my mates was in simmiler problems and all been refused u wil prob get refused again and ten year ban

[bakko]

any way few my mates was in simmiler problems and all been refused u wil prob get refused again and ten year ban

ok thanks for the information much appreciated , i will probably hold on to it and not to send it yet as a 10 year long ban is something to think about very carefully .
kIND REGARDS