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Anyone knows what the next step is ? Will the DOJ make an annnouncment ? will the concede defeat ? or will they fight back with another directive ? Any suggestion or development since the announcment yesterday ?First-Class Moron wrote:The judgement day would be on the 25th of july, start praying or doing whatever it takes for a positive result guys. Good luck to all and God bless.
The RTE article states: "The Department of Justice says officials in the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service is considering today's judgment."
Under what circumstances, for example? What's the reason for the fine?voh7 wrote:I wouldn't be too worried about that last bit Germany have a similar rule implemented and what happens there is once you get your residency permit you are given a fine which you can go to court to negotiate over apparently it is usually around four hundred euros which you start paying only once you have a job and you can pay it off in installments. As it also states there can be no penalty which infringes on the right of residence I guess they may do something like this
Do you mean, for example, in the case of a person who is present in an EU Member State illegally (e.g., overstayed visa / failed asylum seeker), then subsequently becomes a family member of an EU citizen (i.e., by marriage)?voh7 wrote:The circumstances are illegally entering the country and residing there it's only fairly recently they have brought this in my husbands cousin had a fine imposed after he was granted his residency for this very reason.
Go though your solicitor if you can afford it. They'll try to come up with something else, that's their way. Do not imagine for a moment that the Irish system plays by the rules. They are little more than a corrupt mafia.desifighter wrote:Thats a great news ...can anyone tell me do we have to go immigration office and change the VISA, as i have Stamp 4 for one year, or do you think we have to contact our solicter to be sure that this time we get everything what we have to.......
We will get 5 years or one years EUFAM Stamp ?
The ECJ is the highest court in the EU, its decisions are binding for EU states and supersede national laws. However this was only a request fro clarification in the case brought to the Irish High Court, and they still have ways to stall and harass -- you can bet on them doing anything possible to avoid doing the right thing. The basic perception is that foreigners should be allowed in Ireland only as servants, otherwise they are a threat. A result of the nationalistic education system of the RoI.voh7 wrote:Good point about the appeals question I have looked up about the ECJ and it seems the decision is binding so I don't think they have any way to appeal it.
More fascist propaganda from the BNP and its sympathizers.voh7 wrote:Was just given this link by a family member these are not my views just thought it was quite interesting.
http://www.eureferendum.blogspot.com/20 ... -mugs.html
astartes wrote:More fascist propaganda from the BNP and its sympathizers.voh7 wrote:Was just given this link by a family member these are not my views just thought it was quite interesting.
http://www.eureferendum.blogspot.com/20 ... -mugs.html
The majority of rejected spouse residency applications under EU mobility rights involves spouses of non-African nationality-- Eastern European, US, Japanese, Korean. The arguments in the article you quoted are representative of the chauvinism and beloved which informs the attitude of the Irish DoJ towards non-EU spouses. The basic argument brought by them to the ECJ was along the lines of Ireland being "taken over by foreigners" --quite telling of the true motivations behind their violations of EU law. The ECJ ruling alludes to this attitude in its formulation.
Ireland has no basis to complain about immigration of EU citizens, which involves rights for their spouses under a EU treaty which the RoI has signed. It should be mentioned that a very large number of Irish nationals live in other EU countries, and that a vast Irish immigration is present in the US. There is a large number of Irish nationals who are in the US illegally, some of them involved with crime.
Double standards are not acceptable.
Ireland is free to pursue an anti-European closed borders policy, provided that it first exits the European Union.
Regarding fears about fertility rates etc (subtly implied in the article you quoted), it should be pointed out that immigrants to Ireland (most of whom are Eastern European rather than African) have lower fertility rates than the Irish population at large. Ireland had one of the highest fertility rates among "Caucasian" populations for the past 60 years, which explains the vastness of the Irish emigration during that period. Irish families with 5 or more siblings are quite common in the RoI.
In all fairness dsab85, I don't know who this guy astartes is but he does seem to have a point. The article he commented on comes across as dearly beloved. Here's from that article:dsab85 wrote:astartes, please do us all a favour and shut up with your crap, and stop spamming the whole Irish board with your nonsense. Complete pain in the back you are... get a life, or at least try to get on with your current one.
And if you don't like it, then leave...but just stop putting up these silly messages. (and btw... no, I am not Irish but one of the previously affected EU citizens)
http://www.eureferendum.blogspot.com/20 ... -mugs.htmlIt is interesting to note that, to illustrate its piece, the BBC shows the hands of a white couple (above), as does the RTE news report embedded by Hibernia girl. Yet, all the appellants were black Africans. Also of interest is that, although this is an EU judgement and applies thus to the UK (and any other member state), the British print media has not reported the story.
More fascist propaganda from the BNP and its sympathizers.astartes wrote:voh7 wrote:Was just given this link by a family member these are not my views just thought it was quite interesting.
http://www.eureferendum.blogspot.com/20 ... -mugs.html