Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:26 pm
Call me heartless but this kind of posts and the associated claims make me smile.
Many of us here, including myself, are non-EEA and we know how it works elsewhere in the world. Where I came from, there are refugees living there for 3 or 4 generations and
none of them, including their descendants born there, got the citizenship. They don't get residences but just A4 documents they can show the police in case they are controlled in the street but if they leave the country, they won't be allowed back.
I worked as a volunteer for Amnesty International and similar organisations for a while. One of my last assignments was to work on a case of 4000 people who came to disappear during a civil war in Africa. With some of the parents who could make it to Geneva, we organised a protest and read their names on loudspeakers near the broken chair in front of the UN building.
So if the UK takes 15 months to process your citizenship application, I don't see a strong human right case that can trigger the interest of international organisations.
As you may already know, the asylum system is abused and became a classic immigration route for many people who don't qualify under other venues. I don't like that because I have seen a lot of people under genuine threat due to their ethnicity or religion being unable to get asylum as the system is clogged with immigration candidates with bogus stories. I for one believe that authorities must make and end to that abuse otherwise it will destroy the asylum system. That system is not there to allow some to live in fancy countries, or get visa-free travel to interesting countries, or a joker card for immigration. It's there to save lives of people who can genuinely end up in mass graves of no fault of their own. This is
not yet another immigration route.
When there was a war / genocide in Rwanda (1994), people from all Africa claimed asylum by telling authorities they came from Rwanda. Many of these, when they didn't get a response by 1998, ran to the asylum offices changing their stories and claiming they actually came from Eritrea as another war was starting there.
This takes us back to your citizenship application. When someone comes from an organised country such as Germany, Koweit or Japan, it's easier to ascertain the identity of the applicant to the level required for citizenship. When people come from places that are not so organised, there is a risk for the Home Office / Secretary of State. The risk is to sign a naturalisation certificate for someone then realising years later that the person participated in genocide or similar activities then claimed asylum under forged or stolen identity. That would be a major embarrassment for the UK.
As you are a refugee, I dare to hope that the UK saved your life in first place. So if you have any human right claim, I recommend you pursue these efforts against the country you came from.
Dear Zerub,
It is hard to get anything from your statement apart from a strong dislike of the refugees. Applicant's of other backgrounds e.g. spouses of B. Citizens are clearly immune from these checks that you have indicated, possible involvement in genocide or other crimes.
Among the refugee applicants are people with clear backgrounds - people who worked with the UK Gov and other International partners and who have studied in the UK before and are all clear from every perspective, and yet they have to wait indefinitely.
While a spouse of a UK citizen's application (who applied and came from the same country as the Refugee) is awarded citizenship within less than 2 months time.
What is the difference between the two? I am talking of general logic and rationale! As a refugees who arrived in the UK with a valid UK visa and a clear past immigration history, who has studied in the UK and has a background that is all clear back in his home country and is very well known to the UK Gov and international community for his work with the int. development organisations including for the UK government's development agencies overseas.
And if all was not clear, the UK would’t have issued him with long term visas. I personally arrived in the UK with a visa and had valid multi-entry visa for the USA. Also held a UN passport with witch I could have traveled to any EU countries without any need for visas.
So let us not generalise and put everyone in the same basket or single out refugees for these stringent checks. Clearly, there is a difference in the way applicants are treated. Like I’ve noted, if it’s about checks they must apply to everyone equally, and not link refugees to genocide or criminality. How about a criminal who married a B Citizen and got his citizenship in less than two months? Does that not bring no shame?
By word difference above, I mean discrimination. It exist and it’s a sad reality. I don’t know wether it’s the Home Office or at the levels of those so called “external agencies” who conduct whatever checks. Some of the statements in the quote above is very disappointing as it’s apparently from someone who is dealing with immigration matters. Very unfortunate. I wish it was more for justice, equality, harmony and respect and above all for humanity. We share the same pain and sorrow and must be united for humanity’s sake. COVID19 is the best example. I hope you survive it Zurebbabel.
A quote:
Carry out a random act of kindness, with no expectation of reward, safe in the knowledge that one day someone might do the same for you.
Princess Diana
Good luck to those waiting... 
