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Your dad has been here twice before. That helps. It being almost 10 years ago, reduces the efficacy, but it doesn't negate it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:54 pmHello,
I am planning to apply for my dad's visa. A bit of history;
He was granted visit visas twice some time ago; the first was 6 months and the second was 2 years (this one was refused at first but we won an appeal at that time).
the last time he visited UK was in 2013.
Things and circumstances have changed. He had a business at that time and a good bank balance.
Now he is living with my younger brother. My dad owns the house and gets rent for one portion of the house (around 70,000PKR).
That's the only income he has. I send money every month. He does not have much in his bank account either. I am planning to apply for his visit visa but wondering what chances he has got.
Obviously, we will show that he has a house in his name and gets rent (even though converting in GBP, the rent is not a lot).
I can show that I send him money every month. My mother will stay in Pakistan and he will have his younger son and his children back home as well. Will these be enough to prove strong back-home ties?
As mentioned he does not have much in his bank account, I will be attaching my bank statement and will mention that I will be sponsoring his visit (stay, flights, etc)
What do you recommend regarding this scenario and in case I am missing any documents/things?
Many thanks
Many thanks for your reply. I am only worried that he does not have much in his bank account and will that cause any issues (because most of the rejections are based on that, saying that it is the applicant who has to demonstrate that he/she has enough funds for the travel). What do you think?Ticktack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:33 amYour dad has been here twice before. That helps. It being almost 10 years ago, reduces the efficacy, but it doesn't negate it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:54 pmHello,
I am planning to apply for my dad's visa. A bit of history;
He was granted visit visas twice some time ago; the first was 6 months and the second was 2 years (this one was refused at first but we won an appeal at that time).
the last time he visited UK was in 2013.
Things and circumstances have changed. He had a business at that time and a good bank balance.
Now he is living with my younger brother. My dad owns the house and gets rent for one portion of the house (around 70,000PKR).
That's the only income he has. I send money every month. He does not have much in his bank account either. I am planning to apply for his visit visa but wondering what chances he has got.
Obviously, we will show that he has a house in his name and gets rent (even though converting in GBP, the rent is not a lot).
I can show that I send him money every month. My mother will stay in Pakistan and he will have his younger son and his children back home as well. Will these be enough to prove strong back-home ties?
As mentioned he does not have much in his bank account, I will be attaching my bank statement and will mention that I will be sponsoring his visit (stay, flights, etc)
What do you recommend regarding this scenario and in case I am missing any documents/things?
Many thanks
You can fully sponsor him. Add your payslips and bank statements (6 months) and add his personal documents. State all that in your letter of invite.
Sate where you work, designation and that of your spouse.
Always nice to know that sponsoring him wouldn't leave you out of pocket.
You've applied 2ce before, use the same modus operandi as previous applications. I'm sure he should be fine.
There are instances where applicants don't have much or nothing at all in account however with sincere depictions of circumstances ( and maybe motherluck) visa got granted not just once but repeatedly.tier21419 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:08 pmMany thanks for your reply. I am only worried that he does not have much in his bank account and will that cause any issues (because most of the rejections are based on that, saying that it is the applicant who has to demonstrate that he/she has enough funds for the travel). What do you think?Ticktack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:33 amYour dad has been here twice before. That helps. It being almost 10 years ago, reduces the efficacy, but it doesn't negate it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:54 pmHello,
I am planning to apply for my dad's visa. A bit of history;
He was granted visit visas twice some time ago; the first was 6 months and the second was 2 years (this one was refused at first but we won an appeal at that time).
the last time he visited UK was in 2013.
Things and circumstances have changed. He had a business at that time and a good bank balance.
Now he is living with my younger brother. My dad owns the house and gets rent for one portion of the house (around 70,000PKR).
That's the only income he has. I send money every month. He does not have much in his bank account either. I am planning to apply for his visit visa but wondering what chances he has got.
Obviously, we will show that he has a house in his name and gets rent (even though converting in GBP, the rent is not a lot).
I can show that I send him money every month. My mother will stay in Pakistan and he will have his younger son and his children back home as well. Will these be enough to prove strong back-home ties?
As mentioned he does not have much in his bank account, I will be attaching my bank statement and will mention that I will be sponsoring his visit (stay, flights, etc)
What do you recommend regarding this scenario and in case I am missing any documents/things?
Many thanks
You can fully sponsor him. Add your payslips and bank statements (6 months) and add his personal documents. State all that in your letter of invite.
Sate where you work, designation and that of your spouse.
Always nice to know that sponsoring him wouldn't leave you out of pocket.
You've applied 2ce before, use the same modus operandi as previous applications. I'm sure he should be fine.
Also, I will be showing the money that I send him every month as well, hopefully, that won't impact negatively.
Many thanks. So I am preparing the following documents. please let me know what do you think;AmazonianX wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:24 pmThere are instances where applicants don't have much or nothing at all in account however with sincere depictions of circumstances ( and maybe motherluck) visa got granted not just once but repeatedly.tier21419 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:08 pmMany thanks for your reply. I am only worried that he does not have much in his bank account and will that cause any issues (because most of the rejections are based on that, saying that it is the applicant who has to demonstrate that he/she has enough funds for the travel). What do you think?Ticktack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:33 amYour dad has been here twice before. That helps. It being almost 10 years ago, reduces the efficacy, but it doesn't negate it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:54 pmHello,
I am planning to apply for my dad's visa. A bit of history;
He was granted visit visas twice some time ago; the first was 6 months and the second was 2 years (this one was refused at first but we won an appeal at that time).
the last time he visited UK was in 2013.
Things and circumstances have changed. He had a business at that time and a good bank balance.
Now he is living with my younger brother. My dad owns the house and gets rent for one portion of the house (around 70,000PKR).
That's the only income he has. I send money every month. He does not have much in his bank account either. I am planning to apply for his visit visa but wondering what chances he has got.
Obviously, we will show that he has a house in his name and gets rent (even though converting in GBP, the rent is not a lot).
I can show that I send him money every month. My mother will stay in Pakistan and he will have his younger son and his children back home as well. Will these be enough to prove strong back-home ties?
As mentioned he does not have much in his bank account, I will be attaching my bank statement and will mention that I will be sponsoring his visit (stay, flights, etc)
What do you recommend regarding this scenario and in case I am missing any documents/things?
Many thanks
You can fully sponsor him. Add your payslips and bank statements (6 months) and add his personal documents. State all that in your letter of invite.
Sate where you work, designation and that of your spouse.
Always nice to know that sponsoring him wouldn't leave you out of pocket.
You've applied 2ce before, use the same modus operandi as previous applications. I'm sure he should be fine.
Also, I will be showing the money that I send him every month as well, hopefully, that won't impact negatively.
The change in circumstances understandable, previous UK travel history as noted earlier is a plus. Use other evidence to show strong ties to home country and hopefully your ability to shoulder all the cost levels the ground.
Many thanks for your kind reply.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
You don't need to add anything about your housing arrangements. Your dad is coming to visit, not to live with you permanently.tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pmMany thanks for your kind reply.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
Any idea about the tenancy agreement and accommodation?
the reason for not applying for 2 years is that it is been a while since he had a UK visa, so I am planning to apply for 6 months (rather than losing more money on 2 years visa). he will visit and then leave, and then I will apply for 2 years.
Many thanks for answering the question.Ticktack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:17 pmYou don't need to add anything about your housing arrangements. Your dad is coming to visit, not to live with you permanently.tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pmMany thanks for your kind reply.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
Any idea about the tenancy agreement and accommodation?
the reason for not applying for 2 years is that it is been a while since he had a UK visa, so I am planning to apply for 6 months (rather than losing more money on 2 years visa). he will visit and then leave, and then I will apply for 2 years.
Any utility bill would suffice.
Smart move to start slowly with the 6 months. But I personally think he'd get 2 years.
Just my opinion though! Good luck.
I have a few more questions (I hope you would not mind )Ticktack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:17 pmYou don't need to add anything about your housing arrangements. Your dad is coming to visit, not to live with you permanently.tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pmMany thanks for your kind reply.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
Any idea about the tenancy agreement and accommodation?
the reason for not applying for 2 years is that it is been a while since he had a UK visa, so I am planning to apply for 6 months (rather than losing more money on 2 years visa). he will visit and then leave, and then I will apply for 2 years.
Any utility bill would suffice.
Smart move to start slowly with the 6 months. But I personally think he'd get 2 years.
Just my opinion though! Good luck.
tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:48 pmI have a few more questions (I hope you would not mind )Ticktack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:17 pmYou don't need to add anything about your housing arrangements. Your dad is coming to visit, not to live with you permanently.tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pmMany thanks for your kind reply.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
Any idea about the tenancy agreement and accommodation?
the reason for not applying for 2 years is that it is been a while since he had a UK visa, so I am planning to apply for 6 months (rather than losing more money on 2 years visa). he will visit and then leave, and then I will apply for 2 years.
Any utility bill would suffice.
Smart move to start slowly with the 6 months. But I personally think he'd get 2 years.
Just my opinion though! Good luck.
1) In the occupation field, shall we enter retired or self-employed for him? As he does not do any job but has recently started renting one portion of the house. Retired is fine.
2) if we enter self-employed, he does not have any tax returns or payments. will that be OK?
3) the rent for the whole year, make up as £2300, will that be an issue? as I send him the money and will add those receipts as well. Nope.
4) can the current account be considered as a saving account? as there is a question asking if he has any savings etc. Same thing, provided it isn't a business account.
5) how much should I enter that I am paying toward his visit? He will be here for 1 month. look at his flight cost and work with that.
6) what shall I add as his dependents (just my mother?) My brother and his family live with my dad but I don't want to add them as his dependents as ECO will look at the money available and argue about how my dad supports them. Just your mum, your brother is a grown man and can support himself and his nuclear family.
Many thanks
Another question (sorry!), what if I dont include/submit his bank statements and just mention that he will spend 200-300 pounds on this trip?Ticktack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:33 pmtier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:48 pmI have a few more questions (I hope you would not mind )Ticktack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:17 pmYou don't need to add anything about your housing arrangements. Your dad is coming to visit, not to live with you permanently.tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pmMany thanks for your kind reply.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
Any idea about the tenancy agreement and accommodation?
the reason for not applying for 2 years is that it is been a while since he had a UK visa, so I am planning to apply for 6 months (rather than losing more money on 2 years visa). he will visit and then leave, and then I will apply for 2 years.
Any utility bill would suffice.
Smart move to start slowly with the 6 months. But I personally think he'd get 2 years.
Just my opinion though! Good luck.
1) In the occupation field, shall we enter retired or self-employed for him? As he does not do any job but has recently started renting one portion of the house. Retired is fine.
2) if we enter self-employed, he does not have any tax returns or payments. will that be OK?
3) the rent for the whole year, make up as £2300, will that be an issue? as I send him the money and will add those receipts as well. Nope.
4) can the current account be considered as a saving account? as there is a question asking if he has any savings etc. Same thing, provided it isn't a business account.
5) how much should I enter that I am paying toward his visit? He will be here for 1 month. look at his flight cost and work with that.
6) what shall I add as his dependents (just my mother?) My brother and his family live with my dad but I don't want to add them as his dependents as ECO will look at the money available and argue about how my dad supports them. Just your mum, your brother is a grown man and can support himself and his nuclear family.
Many thanks
Read the above earlier post.Ticktack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:06 pmState in your letter of invitation that you're fully sponsoring your dad's visa application. Also state that you're fully employed by X and your spouse is fully employed by Y.
Don't leave the amount planning to spend blank, add like £50 -£100. I'm sure he can afford that.
Documents look OK, and previous visa should work in his favour. Maybe apply for a 2 years visa. Mitigate the risks.
thanks for answering. Will ECO scrutinise my dad's bank statement even if I am paying for everything?AmazonianX wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:05 amAnother question (sorry!), what if I dont include/submit his bank statements and just mention that he will spend 200-300 pounds on this trip?
and I submit my bank statements along with mentioning that I will support everything.
Will it have a negative impact if I don't submit his bank statements?
thanks
Even with you sponsoring fully, the applicant's bank statements is still required especially since its already established he has.
The ECO has an obligation to look at every document submitted. If your dad has multiple accounts, then let him use another account stead of the account with recent huge deposit . But if he has a solid paper trail to explain where this money has come from, then he can still use it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:28 pmthanks for answering. Will ECO scrutinise my dad's bank statement even if I am paying for everything?AmazonianX wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:05 amAnother question (sorry!), what if I dont include/submit his bank statements and just mention that he will spend 200-300 pounds on this trip?
and I submit my bank statements along with mentioning that I will support everything.
Will it have a negative impact if I don't submit his bank statements?
thanks
Even with you sponsoring fully, the applicant's bank statements is still required especially since its already established he has.
My dad recently submit around 1000 gbp (equivalent) into his bank account. So I was wondering if this will become an issue?
thank you for replying. The reason I have got is, I send him money every month -- around 500 pounds (he receives the amount in cash and I will provide the receipts), he does not spend most of it, and after a couple of months, etc. he makes deposits into his account.Ticktack wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:45 pmThe ECO has an obligation to look at every document submitted. If your dad has multiple accounts, then let him use another account stead of the account with recent huge deposit . But if he has a solid paper trail to explain where this money has come from, then he can still use it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:28 pmthanks for answering. Will ECO scrutinise my dad's bank statement even if I am paying for everything?AmazonianX wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:05 amAnother question (sorry!), what if I dont include/submit his bank statements and just mention that he will spend 200-300 pounds on this trip?
and I submit my bank statements along with mentioning that I will support everything.
Will it have a negative impact if I don't submit his bank statements?
thanks
Even with you sponsoring fully, the applicant's bank statements is still required especially since its already established he has.
My dad recently submit around 1000 gbp (equivalent) into his bank account. So I was wondering if this will become an issue?
Don't forget that your dad's documents are the primary document. Yours are just support/secondary.
Yours comes into play where he lacks something. Example, he has nowhere to stay in the UK, you.
He has no reason to come to the UK, you.
He has no money to sustain him with feeding and general upkeep whilst he's in the UK. You guessed correctly again, you!
If his documents don't look good, and there are unexplained funds in his account. Then I'm afraid, it could have an effect on his application.
While we can say opinion, decision ultimately lies with HO personnel I.e. CW, ECO based on their understanding. The more paper trail evidence available the better. In above you gave provided paper trail of sending.tier21419 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:01 pmthank you for replying. The reason I have got is, I send him money every month -- around 500 pounds (he receives the amount in cash and I will provide the receipts), he does not spend most of it, and after a couple of months, etc. he makes deposits into his account.Ticktack wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:45 pmThe ECO has an obligation to look at every document submitted. If your dad has multiple accounts, then let him use another account stead of the account with recent huge deposit . But if he has a solid paper trail to explain where this money has come from, then he can still use it.tier21419 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:28 pmthanks for answering. Will ECO scrutinise my dad's bank statement even if I am paying for everything?AmazonianX wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:05 amAnother question (sorry!), what if I dont include/submit his bank statements and just mention that he will spend 200-300 pounds on this trip?
and I submit my bank statements along with mentioning that I will support everything.
Will it have a negative impact if I don't submit his bank statements?
thanks
Even with you sponsoring fully, the applicant's bank statements is still required especially since its already established he has.
My dad recently submit around 1000 gbp (equivalent) into his bank account. So I was wondering if this will become an issue?
Don't forget that your dad's documents are the primary document. Yours are just support/secondary.
Yours comes into play where he lacks something. Example, he has nowhere to stay in the UK, you.
He has no reason to come to the UK, you.
He has no money to sustain him with feeding and general upkeep whilst he's in the UK. You guessed correctly again, you!
If his documents don't look good, and there are unexplained funds in his account. Then I'm afraid, it could have an effect on his application.
He will write this in his cover letter, I hope this will be OK for ECO.
What do you think?
tier21419 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:26 amMany thanks for your replies.
Another question, my dad last visit visa in 2013 was refused initially but then we won the appeal and the visa was granted.
I believe this will not be considered as visa refused no, it is still visa refused as it was granted later on. Am I correct in saying this?
There is a question whether any visa was refused previously and I have said no. Your response will be Yes and in further information or cover letter you will explain that refusal was overturned at appeal and visa granted.
Many thanks
Oh OK. I thought it was granted later on so I have already mentioned "No" for Have you ever refused a visa?AmazonianX wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:29 pmtier21419 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:26 amMany thanks for your replies.
Another question, my dad last visit visa in 2013 was refused initially but then we won the appeal and the visa was granted.
I believe this will not be considered as visa refused no, it is still visa refused as it was granted later on. Am I correct in saying this?
There is a question whether any visa was refused previously and I have said no. Your response will be Yes and in further information or cover letter you will explain that refusal was overturned at appeal and visa granted.
Many thanks
tier21419 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:39 pmOh OK. I thought it was granted later on so I have already mentioned "No" for Have you ever refused a visa? If it was not refused you wouldn't have had to appeal.AmazonianX wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:29 pmtier21419 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:26 amMany thanks for your replies.
Another question, my dad last visit visa in 2013 was refused initially but then we won the appeal and the visa was granted.
I believe this will not be considered as visa refused no, it is still visa refused as it was granted later on. Am I correct in saying this?
There is a question whether any visa was refused previously and I have said no. Your response will be Yes and in further information or cover letter you will explain that refusal was overturned at appeal and visa granted.
Many thanks
In the other information section of the form, I have written the following"I have visited the UK before, please see my cover letter with details of my previous visas and travel dates to the UK. I have been to the UK three times. My second visa was issued after winning an appeal."
What do you recommend, what shall I do now? Shall I mention that in the cover letter from Dad's side? and will that be sufficient?