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Only to receive this reply:Dear Sirs,
My wife, daughter and I are planning to visit Ireland in the new future. Our daughter and I are British citizens, while my wife is Russian.
We are permanent residents in Italy, having lived here continuously for over 5 years.
My wife was issued in 2007 with the Italian "residence card as a famlily member of an EU citizen", in accordance with Art. 10 of Directive 2004/38/EC.
This card, valid for five years, expired in May 2012 and was replaced by a "permanent residence card for a family member of an EU citizen", in accordance with Art. 20 of Directive 2004/38/EC, which I quote for your convenience:
Article 20
Permanent residence card for family members who are not nationals of a Member State
1. Member States shall issue family members who are not nationals of a Member State entitled to permanent residence with a permanent residence card within six months of the submission of the application. The permanent residence card shall be renewable automatically every ten years.
2. The application for a permanent residence card shall be submitted before the residence card expires. Failure to comply with the requirement to apply for a permanent residence card may render the person concerned liable to proportionate and non-discriminatory sanctions.
3. Interruption in residence not exceeding two consecutive years shall not affect the validity of the permanent residence card.
From my reading of the following, taken from S.I. No. 345 of 2011
(http://www.dfa.ie/uploads/documents/Con ... 202011.pdf):
3. It is hereby declared that the following classes of non-nationals are specified as classes the members of which are not required to be in possession of a valid Irish visa when landing in the State:
(...)
(c) non-nationals who are family members of a Union citizen and holders of a document called “Residence card of a family member of a Union
citizen”, as referred to in Article 10 of the Directive of 2004;
(...)
It seems that only residence cards valid for five years are acceptable for entry into Ireland, while permanent residence cards are not, which seems an absurd situation.
Am I to understand that for entry into Ireland with a residence card, my wife would have been allowed in six months ago with her old card while now she would be refused and would need to apply for a visa, or does commonsense apply at port in Ireland and my wife will not be denied entry?
Please find attached copies of both residence cards in question.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Yours sincerely,
Richard66
And her residence card is clearly marked: "Residence card for a family member of an EU citizen."Dear Mr. Richard66,
Apologies for the delay in replying to your email query.
The Italian permit of stay does not qualify as a residence card and therefore, your wife requires a visa to go to Ireland. If the trip is a short visit where you accompany your wife on holiday, then the attached is the list of requirements which need to be submitted.
If your trip is of a different nature, please supply further details.
As a citizen of the Russian federation, your wife may be entitled to avail of the Irish Short-stay Visa Waiver Programme. Full details and information are available at the following link:
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Visa%20W ... 202012.pdf
Please do not hesitate to contact the Embassy should you require further information.
Kind regards,
"Ich veschtehe ein biesle Hochdeutch!") is not enough for me to understand all of the discussion, though the gist I do get.My non-committal answer is:Richard66 wrote:...the baker around the corner for advice and, provided he is a member of this forum, will give a better reply!...
Ah, but did you notice that the visa for the citizens of some countries who are long-term residents of a Schengen (or UK) country, Russia included, is free?ca.funke wrote:My non-committal answer is:Richard66 wrote:...the baker around the corner for advice and, provided he is a member of this forum, will give a better reply!...
- Common sense tells me, your wife should be allowed to enter Ireland w/o visa, however
- strictly speaking she may not enter Ireland without visa anymore AND
- if you ask the Commission for their opinion you will get a "wishy-washy-maybe" answer after ~ a year or so.
- Seems this is the state the EU is in...
Richard66 wrote: Ah, but did you notice that the visa for the citizens of some countries who are long-term residents of a Schengen (or UK) country, Russia included, is free?
EUsmileWEallsmile wrote: Slightly different issue in that this is part of the Irish visa waiver scheme to promote tourism.
Can somebody point out to me where it says that visa waiver is applicable to the long term resident in the UK?Richard66 wrote:Yes, I realise the fee vaiver is a concession, but still...
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That is exactly what I was reading earlier todayRichard66 wrote:It says so at the bottom of the informaton flyer:
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Visa%20W ... 202012.pdf
Q15: I am a national of one of the countries covered but am a long-term resident in the UK or the Schengen Area. Can I avail of the Programme?
Nationals of the countries above, who are long-term legal residents in the UK or the Schengen area, will still require an Irish visa but will have the visa fee waived as part of the Programme. The visa fee is usually €60 per person, including children, for a single visit, or €100 for a multi- entry visa.
