HSMP DOCS THRU AIRMAIL TO INDIA - Time to reach?

[paramjit2k]

Hi All,

All who have recieved the HSMP docs thru AIRMAIL in India, Please share the time taken to reach at your place.

The total days can be working days + sat-sun

[paramjit2k]

I wouldbe very thankful, if u do share ur dates here...

[nnj10]

Hi Param,

Didn't you opt for the courier pick-up?
Any reason?

NNJ10

[paramjit2k]

When i asked them, they already sent the docs

[paramjit2k]

any more response?

[hsmp28122006]

9 days

[paramjit2k]

9 days

what was the decision?

[hsmp28122006]

No decision, it was returned from charging team due to invalid card number entered in first page of application. Even NARIC letter took 10 days to reach here!

What salary documents had you submitted? Was IT return signed too? Did you submit Form 16 too?

[paramjit2k]

man i had 3 companies to cover...

different docs for every comp...

I submitted:
Stamped and signed FORM 16 + Emp letter + bank statement + Full n Final statement + Salary hike letter for the first comp...

[hsmp28122006]

So, it was your exceptional case since you did not submit Saral form!?

[paramjit2k]

Personally I dont feel SARAL as valid IT proof, as it is just an self assesment form.

Form 16 is more better option. It is more or less like P60 in UK.

[hsmp28122006]

Param Pa ji,

I do not think it's self assesment form. Because:

1) ITR is based on Form-16 (and form-16 is not self-assesment form, hope you agree this), and verified by IT department (stamp is the verification mark, at many places they sign it too!!).
2) If it was a self-assesment form HO would have rejected all the applications which provide Saral form (stamped + signed) as a primary proof!

Let me know if you have any issues with these points.

[paramjit2k]

Hi hsmp28122006,

Do not confuse ITR with SARAL form.
First of all, what is SARAL?
Saral is filled my people like us to show IT dept how much tax we are paying. The Tax amount is calculated by us only. The figures are entered by us only. Even if u hide some tax, IT dept will accept ur SARAL form and return u the stamped and signed photo copy.
If u have some due left, u will be fined/informed later. So anyone can show SARAL form even with lesser tax paid.

So how SARAL cant be termed as self assesment sheet.

Other thing, even me or anyone else dont know what actually they want from us. Like for UK, P60 is acceptable for HSMP ITR proof and it is provided by employers. Nothing is clear for INDIANS, but one thing is there, same like UK we r provided FORM 16 as income tax computation sheet. So it is more or less like P60.

If P60 can be taken as valid ITR proof, then FORM 16 shud be also.

If someone has more concrete answer plz share.

Hope it helps.

[hsmp28122006]

Hi Param pa ji,

Please see the answers inline.

Hi hsmp28122006,

Saral is filled my people like us to show IT dept how much tax we are paying. The Tax amount is calculated by us only. The figures are entered by us only.
Even if u hide some tax, IT dept will accept ur SARAL form and return u the stamped and signed photo copy.

hsmp28122006: Tax amount is not calculated by us, it's calculated by our employer in Form-16. We fill entries in SARAL according to the inputs provided by employer in Form-16. If we put different entries than Form-16, I am sure IT department would not stamp/sign our SARAL. Actually, SARAL is one step further process than Form-16. SARAL has the advantage of Form-16 (since it's based on Form-16) plus it has verification stamp from IT department. If stamped + signed, I do not see any issue with SARAL

If u have some due left, u will be fined/informed later. So anyone can show SARAL form even with lesser tax paid.

So how SARAL cant be termed as self assesment sheet.

hsmp28122006: Because of the reason given by me in above quote.

Other thing, even me or anyone else dont know what actually they want from us. Like for UK, P60 is acceptable for HSMP ITR proof and it is provided by employers. Nothing is clear for INDIANS, but one thing is there, same like UK we r provided FORM 16 as income tax computation sheet. So it is more or less like P60.

>> If P60 can be taken as valid ITR proof, then FORM 16 shud be also.

hsmp28122006: I have never denied this fact

If someone has more concrete answer plz share.

Hope it helps.

- hsmp28122006

[nnj10]

Hi HSMP

I boradly agree with paramjit, in the way that IT-department will sign and stamp the SARAL form in whatever manner you fill up. cause when you go to the IT-office, in the rush hours nobody has time to scrutiny your SARAL or Form 16, they just check your correct ward, stamp it and sign it. This has been my experience since last 3 years.

Now, coming to the acceptable Income Tax Return. In technical term, SARAL is the OFFICIAL Income Tax Return by the Indian Tax payee.
Form 16 is a Tax Deduction Certificate, provided by your employer based on your Investment, loan amount etc. declaration. so that probably is an authentic proof of your Income.

One probably would get an Assessment report, and refund pay-order; if you are claiming the refund, or notice to pay additional tax if the case may be.

since for Indian Tax Payer, nothing is quite clear, I would suggest to use following:

1) Income Tax Return - SARAL,
2) Form 16
3) Income Tax assessment Order, if received,
If not try to get it from the IT-office, where you submitted it
4) Income Tax refund order, if any.

NNJ10

[freebirds]

what HSMP2812...said is correct. FORM16 is given by the employer stating the income earned in the year.
Using this form16, we fillup the SARAL. as per SARAL we pay TAX.

SARAL is the receipt or ITR where as form16 is a kind of bill. both should match.
whether the IT dept is cramp or rush hour, doesnt matter. they take up all the bundles again later and do the computation. if there is any discrepancy, u will get order from the IT dept. its not that easy man.

so whether the HO understands our SARAL or not, its the valid proof for ITR. read the SARAL on the top. its written as tax returns statement. its our badluck if HO doesnt understand this.

[paramjit2k]

In the guidance notes, it is clearly written that for ITR, HSMP dont accepts self assesment forms...SARAL is just an form which is self assesed by us...

In genuine, one needs some doc from IT office after clearing all the IT dues of particular year...But Irony is this IN INDIA,
GOVT KNOWS HOW TO DEDUCT TAX BUT GIVES NOTHING IN WRITTEN...I WENT THERE FOR SOME PROOF, THEY SAID SOME DOC NOC -NO OBJECTION CERTIFICATE WAS STOPPED 3 YEARS BACK. THAT WAS THE ONLY DOC WHICH CAN ACTUALLY ACT AS ITR. BUT IT IS STOPPED NOW. THEN THEY SAID SOME COMPUTER LEGITIMATE/RECIEPT CAN BE GIVEN, BUT OUR SERVER IS DOWN. IT WAS REMAIN DOWN FOR 1 month.

Here we can only make gud effort with availiable options. The 2 options r just SARAL and form 16.

So best is...try and submit both.

But personally still i feel, without support of Form 16, SARAL is nothing other then self assesment form.

I still support Form 16. because it has a clear independent source. It can be verified.

[hsmp28122006]

In the guidance notes, it is clearly written that for ITR, HSMP dont accepts self assesment forms...SARAL is just an form which is self assesed by us...

I would again say it's not self-assesment form since it's based on Form-16 which is not self-assesment form either.

[freebirds]

no no..saral is not self assessment man. why would IT dept collect tax on self assessment document. it should match with form16. if its self=asses, then i would write anything of my own. its wrong. saral is the IT returns.
i always said, read the heading on the saralform. yes its right that both form16 and saral shld be sent, becos based on figures in form16, u pay tax and saral reflects it.
so dont say saral is not a valid proof.

[uk.destiny]

I will agree with Freebirds.

SARAL is the only valid TAX paid document in INDIA.

If you send SARAL only , HSMP people will accept.(it must cover claiming period)
If you send FORM16 only,HSMP people will reject on the basis "No ITR Submitted."

Correct me if I am Wrong.

[paramjit2k]

So far, it is just an big discussion, but no final conclusion . As we r yet to see some approval for Indian Out-of-country applicant.

Still how they will calculate ur earning,, as Figure shown on the SARAL may have some other investments added. That figure can be more then earning actually earned.

Without Form 16, i guess they will feel like blind.

[paramjit2k]

Any more response

[docitduo]

Don't charge up your brains friend. You'll have the answer when you get your documents back. If they reject you on basis of not providing sufficient evidence of earning, then SARAL is the ITR for India and not FORM 16 !! If not and you are apporved / rejected for any other reason, then FORM 16 is treated as ITR for India.

BTW, Govt. of India says that Form 2X (Saral) with:-
1. a serial number, and
2. stamp of the IT department (to include ward / circle no.)
is treated as a valid ITR document for all purposes, when ITR is submitted over the counter at designated offices / by post (Acknowledgement if you e-file is different) !!

But yes, you are right that HO might not agree with GOI's views

Relax, and wait for your documents !! Chill

regards