Schengen visa C. Application refused Greek embassy Jakart

[blindman]

Short stay 5 week period visa for indonedian fiance

Situation is: Visa just refused as justification of purpose and conditions of stay as per article

Evidenced holiday with family. Had hotel booked. fathers house contract. I have good job and finances. her dad supported also along with mine.

Have already been to Greece on same visa this year and she returned etc as stated.

Options as I see it:
1 Re apply
2 Appeal
3 National visa
4 Round the back route (which we dont agree with and would probably be reluctant to attempt

Please advise. The reason was not given other than the vague article.

Are they lloking for backhanders?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

You are quite vague in your posting.

What exactly did they write down as the reason for refusing?

You are doing a 5 week holiday after earlier doing a multi-week Greek holiday?

What does "Round the back route" mean?

[blindman]

Yes vague indeed. We received a paper slip with the below sentence ticked as the reason:

“The information submitted regarding the justification of the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable”

No exact reason for reference was given.

My interpretation of the above is why you intend to visit – in our case was stated a holiday, to meet my family etc.

Conditions I assume means accommodation and spending money – Again we had return flight reservations, hotel bookings and evidenced more than enough subsistence.

As some back ground information we have attempted to apply for a visa x 4 occasions:

1 – The embassy provided no guidance and we were not able to contact them by email or phone. This meant she had to go there physically each time. Every time they moved the goal posts.

2- As a result of the above we tried a visa agent who within 2 days had the visa with the same evidence we had tried with on 1st occasion. With the successful visa we had 5 week holiday in Greece where my father stays and she returned before etc all as required, returning passport to embassy on arrival.

3- We tried an agent again and were ripped off.

4- This is the 4th time. We had lots and lots of relevant evidence and also letters. The option for tourist visa, holiday was ticked and explained in letter. She has a home rented for two years in native country so the contract was shown regarding returning. I had my fathers house contract etc and accommodation offer as well booking a hotel.

In my opinion all the areas were covered, our finances are good, past history is good, reason was good.

The visa was refused this time and after my experience with the agent obtaining visa on same docs so quick as well the country the embassy is located in I am starting to conclude that money must be given under the table.

I have a plan to ask my lawyer to call the foreign ministry whilst we will also attempt to reply apply.

Appeals I would assume are too long winded, I which case the holiday will be missed.

National visas are an option but intended for longer stays.
We are very honest people and are looking to do it the simple and correct way.

Any advice would be appreciated.

In the meantime we are attempting to find out exactly why it was turned down and if its because of additional money I need to know.

Unfortunately the embassy is open 10-1300 mon, tue and thur only. To reach them by email is impossible.

Thanks

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

Where is the fiancée resident?
Are you an Eu citizen?
Where are you resident?
Which country were you applying for a Schengen visa to?

[blindman]

She is resident of Indonesia.

I am EU citizen. Resident of UK.

Applying to Greece.

My father is Greek. I am entitles to a passport also if I wish.

I have assets in Greece.

Thanks

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

Visas are issued a little randomly by many EU member states. It might be an issue of corruption, but often I sense simple incompetence.

If you were married, then EU free movement law kicks in. And also if you have been living together for many years already. But that does not seem to be the case right now.

You might be able to resolve it by reapplying and providing lots of evidence that she plans to return to Indonesia. But I am not certain. Maybe do vacation in Bali?

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

Was the visa applied for in Indonesia or some other country? It is clear that the intention was to visit Greece.

What I would be concerned about in your shoes, would be potential for other visas to be affected by this. I would be inclined to pursue an appeal or review, even if this meant that the holiday planned falls through.

[blindman]

It can only be applied for at greek embassy jakarta. Which is where it we did obviously.

I am aware of the refusal stamp as an ongoing issue for other application.

I have a plan to re-apply ASAP so hope the stamp is removed. Failing that ill have to appeal via my lawyer.