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u already have a baby or you will have a baby soon or something elsepageup wrote:Will having a baby increase my chance to get stay..... I did not have baby before because I am not allowed to work, my wife only working. You obviously know having a baby increase your expenses.... My marriage is genuine, but this judge have made life more stressful...
Please advise me of best action.....
For what its worth, i believe your marriage may be genuine, but it really does not matter what i think, it is what the judge thinks. We can only assist you to try and enforce your right.pageup wrote:Will having a baby increase my chance to get stay..... I did not have baby before because I am not allowed to work, my wife only working. You obviously know having a baby increase your expenses.... My marriage is genuine, but this judge have made life more stressful...
Please advise me of best action.....
Obie wrote:
For what its worth, i believe your marriage may be genuine, but it really does not matter what i think, it is what the judge thinks. We can only assist you to try and enforce your right.
Getting a baby to this world for this purpose, may not be sensible, but it is up to you. I believe this issue can be resolved without a baby. Except if you want the baby, because you are ready.
Try not to worry or get anxious. Relax and wait to hear what the Tribunal says.
By a first instance judge making a first time finding of marriage of convenience, without giving you an opportunity to deal with it, as provided for in Papajorgjji, it is arguable , the judge might have fallen into error. But we have to wait and hear what the court will say.
it's very annoying. so the main reason they are refusing is because they are not satisfied your marriage and relationship is genuine ?pageup wrote:Judge refused application again fir me to go uper tribunal...
What is next now,,, pleae advise.
WHst is happening. ...plese advise.
Very worred
not quite accurate... as the judge has decided that the marriage is one of convenience, theres nothing really stopping them deporting him on that basis (although he could apply for JR if that happens).askmeplz82 wrote: they will not deport you because you are already a family member of an EU national. Make sure your wife is not breaking any law, working all the time
Ordinarily, there is no right to appeal a decision of the AIT.
The AIT makes most initial decisions through a single immigration judge. Such decisions can be "reconsidered". An order for reconsideration is sought by making a written request to the High Court in England and Wales or the Court of Session (Outer House) in Scotland. For an indefinite period requests for reconsideration orders will be considered initially by Immigration judges of the AIT ("the filter"); should the request be refused a party can "opt-in" to the High Court or Court of Session.
Either of the parties (the Home Secretary or the Appellant) can apply for reconsideration, within strict time limits (for example, 5 days from receipt of the decision if the Appellant is in the UK). Such an application must be made in writing. A Senior Immigration Judge considers whether or not the grounds for reconsideration are "arguable". The only matters which can be considered are errors of law. A party cannot say that he seeks a re-hearing of the facts or that the factual conclusions reached by the Immigration Judge are wrong. He can only seek reconsideration if the Immigration Judge has misdirected himself in law, failed to consider relevant material, considered irrelevant material, or erred in his fact-finding to the extent that the findings are irrational and therefore amount to an error of law.
If permission is refused on the papers, the party may renew his application for an order for reconsideration to the High Court or Court of Session. Again, the time limits are short. If the High Court or Court of Sessions agree that the AIT has made a mistake in not considering the application for reconsideration, he may order the AIT to reconsider.
A successful application comes before the AIT for reconsideration. Most of these cases are heard at the old IAT, at Field House, Breams Buildings, just off Chancery Lane in central London. Some are heard elsewhere. The initial hearing is a first-stage reconsideration, usually called an "error of law hearing" by lawyers and Immigration Judges. The panel of Immigration Judges (usually one legally-qualified Senior Immigration Judge and one or two lay members) determine whether a material error of law was made in the determination (judgment). If they conclude that no error was made, that is the end of the matter in front of the AIT. If they conclude that there was a material error of law, they may either reconsider the case in full or in part themselves, or (more usually) order that it be re-heard at a later date. They may set out that all the case be re-considered, or only part of it, depending on the exact circumstances. The second-stage reconsideration may be heard by three Immigration Judges, or by a single Immigration Judge.
After a re-hearing, or if the AIT which hears a case for the first time has a 3 or more members, the decision may only be challenged by an appeal to the Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in England and Wales, or the Court of Session (Inner House) in Scotland. Permission is required for such an appeal either from the Tribunal itself or the relevant court.
Opps ! feel for this man. Hope he see the right lightwiggsy wrote:not quite accurate... as the judge has decided that the marriage is one of convenience, theres nothing really stopping them deporting him on that basis (although he could apply for JR if that happens).askmeplz82 wrote: they will not deport you because you are already a family member of an EU national. Make sure your wife is not breaking any law, working all the time
Pageup. Have you spoke to your solicitor / barrister. Your paying them thousands, their advice is surely worth more and a lot easier to get then people on a forum...
from wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_and ... n_TribunalOrdinarily, there is no right to appeal a decision of the AIT.
The AIT makes most initial decisions through a single immigration judge. Such decisions can be "reconsidered". An order for reconsideration is sought by making a written request to the High Court in England and Wales or the Court of Session (Outer House) in Scotland. For an indefinite period requests for reconsideration orders will be considered initially by Immigration judges of the AIT ("the filter"); should the request be refused a party can "opt-in" to the High Court or Court of Session.
Either of the parties (the Home Secretary or the Appellant) can apply for reconsideration, within strict time limits (for example, 5 days from receipt of the decision if the Appellant is in the UK). Such an application must be made in writing. A Senior Immigration Judge considers whether or not the grounds for reconsideration are "arguable". The only matters which can be considered are errors of law. A party cannot say that he seeks a re-hearing of the facts or that the factual conclusions reached by the Immigration Judge are wrong. He can only seek reconsideration if the Immigration Judge has misdirected himself in law, failed to consider relevant material, considered irrelevant material, or erred in his fact-finding to the extent that the findings are irrational and therefore amount to an error of law.
If permission is refused on the papers, the party may renew his application for an order for reconsideration to the High Court or Court of Session. Again, the time limits are short. If the High Court or Court of Sessions agree that the AIT has made a mistake in not considering the application for reconsideration, he may order the AIT to reconsider.
A successful application comes before the AIT for reconsideration. Most of these cases are heard at the old IAT, at Field House, Breams Buildings, just off Chancery Lane in central London. Some are heard elsewhere. The initial hearing is a first-stage reconsideration, usually called an "error of law hearing" by lawyers and Immigration Judges. The panel of Immigration Judges (usually one legally-qualified Senior Immigration Judge and one or two lay members) determine whether a material error of law was made in the determination (judgment). If they conclude that no error was made, that is the end of the matter in front of the AIT. If they conclude that there was a material error of law, they may either reconsider the case in full or in part themselves, or (more usually) order that it be re-heard at a later date. They may set out that all the case be re-considered, or only part of it, depending on the exact circumstances. The second-stage reconsideration may be heard by three Immigration Judges, or by a single Immigration Judge.
After a re-hearing, or if the AIT which hears a case for the first time has a 3 or more members, the decision may only be challenged by an appeal to the Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in England and Wales, or the Court of Session (Inner House) in Scotland. Permission is required for such an appeal either from the Tribunal itself or the relevant court.
i thought you were refused the right to go to upper tribunal? - doesnt that only leave JR?pageup wrote:Now we go staright to uper tribunal...
Well i wish you the best of luckpageup wrote:Refused to admit the case to uper tribunal..., first tied refused.
First we applied on basis judge made error of law.
But now second judge in first tribunal say, no error of law was done.mm
pageup wrote:Please do advise me
