Children of British by decent parents

[jkproperties]

Hi Everyone,
This is my first post, I hope it is in the correct place.

My wife and I have British citizenship by decent.
I was born to a British Mother and my wife to a British Father.

We have a son and daughter 14 and 12 respectively.

We want to immigrate next year, but I am totally confused with regards to my children requirements to join us in the UK.

I am unable to find a solution I only find options for UK Visa holders dependents not for citizens.

I would appreciate a point in the right direction.
Thank you,
Jaco

[CR001]

If neither you or your wife have lived in the UK for 3 years prior to the children being born, you have to apply for a child settlement visa for them on form VAF4A and Appendix 1.

Costs £1523 each and they should be granted Indefinite Leave to Enter.

[jkproperties]

Thank you @CR001
I appreciate the reply.

Wow that's quite a bit.

At what stage will we be able to apply for them to be citizens?

[CR001]

If they are under 18 and have ILE, then they require 2 year residence to register as British on form MN1.

[jkproperties]

Last question on this topic.
As mentioned we plan on moving over next year.

Will all 4 of us be able to go over at the same time? so will the ILR be issued while we are in South Africa? or only after some time?

Are there financial requirements involved? Do I need to have a certain amount of savings etc? I have looked before and the earning requirements didn't seem unattainable from jobs I see being advertised online.

So basically my question is would the ILR visa for my children be based on my savings?

The plan is for me to move over and find work settle in etc, then fly the family over.
Hopefully this will be within 3 months after me arriving.

[CR001]

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/child

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ix-1-vaf4a

You could all come at the same time however you must be aware that it is difficult when first arriving. You need to take into account where you will live, schooling (which is a tedious process through the council to get into a school) etc.

If you don't have much money, I would strongly suggest you come first and the fam follow.

I left my daughter behind in SA for 10 months before she joined me and it took me 6 months after arriving to get settled and find suitable accommodation and a job etc.

It also depends where in the UK you are going. London is very expensive for example.

[jkproperties]

Thank you,

[Shaun45]

I am in the same predicament. I recently got my British citizenship (UKM). It's a bit complicated for me though. My wife died (child's mother) in 2009. We were married at the time when she died. She was also a British citizen by decent through her father.

The problem I have is that there is absolutely no way I can go on my own to the UK for a few months and leave my child alone in South Africa. There is absolutely no family whatsoever. She will be completely on her own and I just can't see myself doing it. She is 13 years old now and she is disabled too. She is very attached to me as I am all she has ever known. The mn1 clock is ticking as she has until she is 18 to apply.

It's very frustrating as I don't know what to do. I really want to create a better life for myself and her in the UK but unfortunately we are stuck due to circumstances.

[CR001]

I am in the same predicament. I recently got my British citizenship (UKM). It's a bit complicated for me though. My wife died (child's mother) in 2009. We were married at the time when she died. She was also a British citizen by decent through her father.

The problem I have is that there is absolutely no way I can go on my own to the UK for a few months and leave my child alone in South Africa. There is absolutely no family whatsoever. She will be completely on her own and I just can't see myself doing it. She is 13 years old now and she is disabled too. She is very attached to me as I am all she has ever known. The mn1 clock is ticking as she has until she is 18 to apply.

It's very frustrating as I don't know what to do. I really want to create a better life for myself and her in the UK but unfortunately we are stuck due to circumstances.

You should continue in your own topic you have where you asked about a visa for your partner.

Your child will likely get ILE and has to apply for a child settlement visa on VAF4A and Appendix 1.

[jkproperties]

Hi CR001,
I expect this will be my last question relating to this topic,
a client of my wife moved to Ireland as a UK citizen because of the cost of applying for ILR, however her husband only has a South African Passport.

She called it the eu treaty if I remember correctly.

Would this be an option for My family, with my wife and I having UK Passports? not specifically Ireland but any EU Country.

and possibly an option for Shaun45?

or have I messed it up by applying for citizenship?

[CR001]

Hi CR001,
I expect this will be my last question relating to this topic,
a client of my wife moved to Ireland as a UK citizen because of the cost of applying for ILR, however her husband only has a South African Passport.

She called it the eu treaty if I remember correctly.

Would this be an option for My family, with my wife and I having UK Passports? not specifically Ireland but any EU Country.

and possibly an option for Shaun45?

or have I messed it up by applying for citizenship?

Yes it is an option but with Brexit and both the Irish and UK immigration fully aware of the abuse of using Ireland as a back door into the UK, it is risky and there are long delays to get residence documents.

Note that the children would still need an entry clearance for any EU Schengen state. Ireland they get 90 days as a visitor on arrival then you can apply on the relevant form, which can take 6 to 12 months to be granted and you have to prove you are exercising treaty rights, accommodation, the various PPS type number you need for everything etc etc etc. Ireland is also expensive, particularly Dublin, and medical is not always free.

[jkproperties]

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/child

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ix-1-vaf4a

You could all come at the same time however you must be aware that it is difficult when first arriving. You need to take into account where you will live, schooling (which is a tedious process through the council to get into a school) etc.

If you don't have much money, I would strongly suggest you come first and the fam follow.

I left my daughter behind in SA for 10 months before she joined me and it took me 6 months after arriving to get settled and find suitable accommodation and a job etc.

It also depends where in the UK you are going. London is very expensive for example.

Apologies I never read your entire answer, don't know how I did that, The reason for looking at London is the assumption that there will be more work and higher pay, I really don't have any specific place I would prefer, we just want the best chances of success,

I expect to have a fairly decent amount of money to go over with, but spending R65k on ILR and a further R40k for my children's citizenship is a bitter pill to swallow, especially knowing I could have gone over far cheaper on a Visa.

But when I heard about the UK Born Mother change I reacted quickly because I have been waiting for many years for this to change.

[CR001]

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/child

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ix-1-vaf4a

You could all come at the same time however you must be aware that it is difficult when first arriving. You need to take into account where you will live, schooling (which is a tedious process through the council to get into a school) etc.

If you don't have much money, I would strongly suggest you come first and the fam follow.

I left my daughter behind in SA for 10 months before she joined me and it took me 6 months after arriving to get settled and find suitable accommodation and a job etc.

It also depends where in the UK you are going. London is very expensive for example.

Apologies I never read your entire answer, don't know how I did that, The reason for looking at London is the assumption that there will be more work and higher pay, I really don't have any specific place I would prefer, we just want the best chances of success,

I expect to have a fairly decent amount of money to go over with, but spending R65k on ILR and a further R40k for my children's citizenship is a bitter pill to swallow, especially knowing I could have gone over far cheaper on a Visa.

But when I heard about the UK Born Mother change I reacted quickly because I have been waiting for many years for this to change.

What visa do you believe is or would have been cheaper??

They have to live in the UK for a minimum of 2 years before you can register them as British so plenty of time for that.

[jkproperties]

Hi CR001,
I expect this will be my last question relating to this topic,
a client of my wife moved to Ireland as a UK citizen because of the cost of applying for ILR, however her husband only has a South African Passport.

She called it the eu treaty if I remember correctly.

Would this be an option for My family, with my wife and I having UK Passports? not specifically Ireland but any EU Country.

and possibly an option for Shaun45?

or have I messed it up by applying for citizenship?

Yes it is an option but with Brexit and both the Irish and UK immigration fully aware of the abuse of using Ireland as a back door into the UK, it is risky and there are long delays to get residence documents.

Note that the children would still need an entry clearance for any EU Schengen state. Ireland they get 90 days as a visitor on arrival then you can apply on the relevant form, which can take 6 to 12 months to be granted and you have to prove you are exercising treaty rights, accommodation, the various PPS type number you need for everything etc etc etc. Ireland is also expensive, particularly Dublin, and medical is not always free.

I wouldn't be using this as a back door, I certainly don't want to uproot my family again after settling, I just want to move for better.

But as British citizens, wouldn't the settling be easier in Ireland?

What would you recommend?

I am in Construction, and am happy to go anywhere in the world, but I assume Europe is the option for now?
We have even discussed the Netherlands.

Thank you for all your help CR001

[jkproperties]

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/child

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ix-1-vaf4a

You could all come at the same time however you must be aware that it is difficult when first arriving. You need to take into account where you will live, schooling (which is a tedious process through the council to get into a school) etc.

If you don't have much money, I would strongly suggest you come first and the fam follow.

I left my daughter behind in SA for 10 months before she joined me and it took me 6 months after arriving to get settled and find suitable accommodation and a job etc.

It also depends where in the UK you are going. London is very expensive for example.

Apologies I never read your entire answer, don't know how I did that, The reason for looking at London is the assumption that there will be more work and higher pay, I really don't have any specific place I would prefer, we just want the best chances of success,

I expect to have a fairly decent amount of money to go over with, but spending R65k on ILR and a further R40k for my children's citizenship is a bitter pill to swallow, especially knowing I could have gone over far cheaper on a Visa.

But when I heard about the UK Born Mother change I reacted quickly because I have been waiting for many years for this to change.

What visa do you believe is or would have been cheaper??

They have to live in the UK for a minimum of 2 years before you can register them as British so plenty of time for that.

Ancestral Visa, then adding my children.
I believe this would be around R30k for 3 of us.

[CR001]

Ancestral visa is about £600 each plus £2000 IHS fee each. Roughly R110k for 3 of you.

ILE for your child likely has no IHS fee or if charge will likely be refunded. Visa fee is £1523 each.

[jkproperties]

Sorry I did not know about the IHS fee.

What would you recommend?

I am in Construction, and am happy to go anywhere in the world, but I assume Europe is the option for now?
We have even discussed the Netherlands.

Is the UK the best bet?

Thank you for all your help CR001,
It really is appreciated.