New law to impose probationary citizenship for 5 years

[rg1]

Read here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pdown.html



Looks like they are almost going to stop giving ILR/citizenship to migrants!!

It also says new bill is going to be passed in January 2009!

[dnicky]

The article mentions that the new bill is going to be published in January, it no where mentions that the bill is going to be passed in January.

[PaulM]

So in a round about way it means that one has to wait 10 years for a passport.

[jei2]

The draft bill was published around July 2008 so it could probably come to fruition in January 2009.

But the article doesn't say anything about removing ILR - only about barriers to and longer waits for citizenship.

Mind you with this Immigration Minister, each new dawn...

[Markie]

this has been raised last July so lets wait and see. Others say its trumpeting the onset of election fever in the UK. watch this space...

Read here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pdown.html



Looks like they are almost going to stop giving ILR/citizenship to migrants!!

It also says new bill is going to be passed in January 2009!

[rg1]

As per info here

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2008-12- ... grants.htm

Economic immigrants who stay out of trouble, make efforts to integrate and do voluntary work will become eligible for state benefits and social housing one or two years after completing a five year period of residency. Anyone found guilty of committing even a minor offence would have to wait another five years before they could claim the benefits.

So it seems, normal migrants will complete probationary period in 1-2 years (as described earlier) The criminals will become citizens after 5 more years (pity that they won't deport them).

[Vanadil]

To be honest, I was kind of ready to put a anti-this comment but after seeing,

"Those who work hard, are law-abiding and do voluntary work will be eligible for benefits one or two years afterwards."

That seems quite fair and encouraging to me. I mean..."claiminig £175,000 per year in benefits at the taxpayer's expense." .. and she still drives a white micra?! These people have no taste! We can't have our money squandered like this!

[republique]

To be honest, I was kind of ready to put a anti-this comment but after seeing,

"Those who work hard, are law-abiding and do voluntary work will be eligible for benefits one or two years afterwards."

That seems quite fair and encouraging to me. I mean..."claiminig £175,000 per year in benefits at the taxpayer's expense." .. and she still drives a white micra?! These people have no taste! We can't have our money squandered like this!

I dont see why once you obtain ILR that that isn't long enough wait provided it took you 3 to 5 years to get it after you entered the country.

[Vanadil]

Hmm I supose so, and I feel sorry for those nice people that I have met who will be affected by this, but as always with this world its the few that ruin it for the many!

So although it is not ideal, at the end of the day the good people will still get thier goal and hopefully we'll get a few less of the bad... supposedly... but things like this never work.... Dammit!! I was trying to be positive and you've dragged me back down into my pool of sinicism!

[republique]

Hmm I supose so, and I feel sorry for those nice people that I have met who will be affected by this, but as always with this world its the few that ruin it for the many!

So although it is not ideal, at the end of the day the good people will still get thier goal and hopefully we'll get a few less of the bad... supposedly... but things like this never work.... Dammit!! I was trying to be positive and you've dragged me back down into my pool of sinicism!

I think it comes down to character. I could avail myself of benefits but it is not worth the effort and slight humiliation to go through the process (I dont have to be embarassed if I qualify, it is just no fun to stand on queues and tell people your story and have them look at you blankly because they have heard it all before.)

[jei2]

As per info here

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2008-12- ... grants.htm

Economic immigrants who stay out of trouble, make efforts to integrate and do voluntary work will become eligible for state benefits and social housing one or two years after completing a five year period of residency. Anyone found guilty of committing even a minor offence would have to wait another five years before they could claim the benefits.

So it seems, normal migrants will complete probationary period in 1-2 years (as described earlier) The criminals will become citizens after 5 more years (pity that they won't deport them).

The Immigration and Citizenship Bill is pretty vague on what constitutes a minor offence.

Where the effect of committing a offence impacts on leave to remain in any way, it could have an effect on marriages and other relationships, particularly where the other party wasn't aware of the "offence".

[Casa]

Jei2...you believe that the bill could come into fruition in January 2009...but doesn't it have to go before the House of Lords first? Also regarding the Citizen route, the government state that they intend to
set up a design team in June 2009 to study how a new scheme (with
voluntary charity/community work) could function.
Regarding ILR..it appears that it will disappear as Probationary Citizenship will no longer be a permanent visa.

[HMRB]

I heard that the scheme comes out in January 2009 but it will be implemented only late 2009. What I do not know is that when should a person start voluntary work.. do they want to see a full 5 years of voluntary work or just for a year after a person has been granted probationary citizenship?

[jei2]

Jei2...you believe that the bill could come into fruition in January 2009...but doesn't it have to go before the House of Lords first? Also regarding the Citizen route, the government state that they intend to
set up a design team in June 2009 to study how a new scheme (with
voluntary charity/community work) could function.
Regarding ILR..it appears that it will disappear as Probationary Citizenship will no longer be a permanent visa.

Sorry Casa, you're quite right, my oversight.

I'm suffering from legislation fatigue. I haven't looked at the bill since I saw the draft in the summer. Unfortunately the various Acts are starting to sound like a Buddhist chant.. IA, NIA, NAA, IAA, IAN, ICA, pica, poca, poo...

In all seriousness, with regards to the voluntary route to citizenship, I assume the government has accounted for any potential downturn in opportunities for voluntary work. Businesses and charities need to have work to offer in order for the scheme to be effective. Otherwise it's a quite a good idea.

ILR to disappear?! You don't say..

[Casa]

It's not just me then! I recite these bills and amendments to bills and proposed bills, green papers in my sleep!
What happens when the only community project is the annual village fete,
and the oldies have been pressganged into being driven to the local supermarket...fighting over who gets the chance to drag them into their car??

[jei2]

It's not just me then! I recite these bills and amendments to bills and proposed bills, green papers in my sleep!
What happens when the only community project is the annual village fete,
and the oldies have been pressganged into being driven to the local supermarket... fighting over who gets the chance to drag them into their car??

Stop it!!

[1971]

Hoy,

Another Power Show by the British government on migrants ... Let's wait and see what the final bills says ... This seem to be a game of chance now(probabilities.) Why cant they be straight for once. Every rule they bring comes with a "Changes Clause." A word is good for the Wise.

Cheers,
1971.

[SidB]

All,

The following House of Commons site is quite useful in tracking the progress of the Borders, Immigration and Citizenship bill:

http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/page2373.asp

As you can see, the bill hasn't even had its first reading which I am guessing will start when it is published in Jan 2009. Have no idea how long it will then take from there to step through the process..

Hope as long as possible

[iceman010899]

Hello,

Draft bill will be published in January, but could be law by Nov 2009. If you look all the other bills that are passed it seems to take almost 8 months to pass it though parliament, house of lords and select commitee.

Reading though the draft bill, it seems like current ILR holders will need to wait 5 years to be naturalized without probation. With voluntary work its 3 years I think. Plus ILR = Permanent permission in the future.

[rizwan_ali]

Hello,


Reading though the draft bill, it seems like current ILR holders will need to wait 5 years to be naturalized without probation. With voluntary work its 3 years I think. Plus ILR = Permanent permission in the future.

there are nothing mention about the current ILR holder and in the draft bill there is still ILR=PR if u have a look page 20 of this link
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

[rizwan_ali]

[quote="iceman010899"]
current ILR holders will need to wait 5 years to be naturalized without probation.
Are u talking about the whole process or after ILR need 5 and how the current ILR holder need 5 year in which catagory W/permit or family.they cant cancel and change any ILR who already been granted and many person have that years and years and they dont want to be naturalized.

[MrBaboo]

I wonder if Phil Woolas actually got it all a bit muddled or (more likely) was being purposefully ingenuous for the benefit of the Sun readers (Labour and dog whistle politics, what a surprise that would be!)

See this BBC article from the same day, it's in line with what we've previously been told of the new bill:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7771104.stm

The Home Office loves re-hashing press releases to grab the headlines. My bet is this news is really non-news.

[Siggi]

Iceman, I don't beleive you have read the draft bill correctly.
Nowhere does it state people with ILR will need to do 5 years before naturalisation.
What it probably means is that, you will need to be a resident for 5 years and there after to complete or not your probation period of 3 years, before applying for natralisation.
So a total of 8 years in the worst case sinario or with a community service reduction of one or two years, if you are lucky.
Point is, if you now have ILR you will be able to apply one year after your ILR date for naturalisation.

[rizwan_ali]

Iceman, I don't beleive you have read the draft bill correctly.
Nowhere does it state people with ILR will need to do 5 years before naturalisation.
What it probably means is that, you will need to be a resident for 5 years and there after to complete or not your probation period of 3 years, before applying for natralisation.
So a total of 8 years in the worst case sinario or with a community service reduction of one or two years, if you are lucky.
Point is, if you now have ILR you will be able to apply one year after your ILR date for naturalisation.

yes Siggi, you are right there is no where mention about that wht was iceman mentioned. if u see the chart of bill you will clearly see the Permanant Residence is still equal to ILR and those have alreay ILR will not go back for Probation peroid residency.

[thsths]

Point is, if you now have ILR you will be able to apply one year after your ILR date for naturalisation.

Does the "sketch" of a bill called draft mention that explicitly? The only hint I could find is that it says "naturalisation at a later point", without actually giving a time frame. So it could be one day, or one year, or several years.