Age?? ikon1400, apeterso925, gordon, olisun, raji_123urgent

[girishkakade7]

Dear friends, the HO said in its rejection letter that I had supplied a copy of my Birth certificate stamped and signed my the magistrate.

I know that copy is an original one because birth certificates are issued in similar manner in our town!!!


I am about to get the Birth certificate of my brother and me stating the point that my previously submitted birth certificate is an original one and all birth certificates are issued in the same manner.

I am also gonna get a letter from Notary/Magistrate that the first presented Birth certificate is the same original authentic copy = the new Birth certificate.

But The HO in its rejection letter asked me not to send any additional new or supporting documents??

What can I do??? If i dont not supply this information/documents how can they know the birth certificate isnt authentic and true!!!!!! and it not attested

[gordon]

I think the first thing you need to make clear is whether that document is actually a birth certificate, rather than an age/nationality/domicile certificate. A quick google search on my part indicates that both types of certificates are issued, which leads me to think that a justification needs to be offered as to why you provided one rather than the other. I'm not sure how much good it will do to provide what you are calling your brother's 'birth certificate' - what you need is that letter from the magistrate indicating that the document headed 'age/nationality/domicile certificate' is in fact also a birth certificate (or that otherwise birth certificates as such are not issued). So, two more things:

1. What *exactly* was written in the refusal as justification for not granting age points ?
2. If the magistrate stamped and signed the certificate, what precisely is meant by your comment at the end of your message that 'it [was] not attested' ?

(Forgive me, but this issue has quite confused me.)
AG

[apeterso925]

I think the first thing you need to make clear is whether that document is actually a birth certificate, rather than an age/nationality/domicile certificate. A quick google search on my part indicates that both types of certificates are issued, which leads me to think that a justification needs to be offered as to why you provided one rather than the other. I'm not sure how much good it will do to provide what you are calling your brother's 'birth certificate' - what you need is that letter from the magistrate indicating that the document headed 'age/nationality/domicile certificate' is in fact also a birth certificate (or that otherwise birth certificates as such are not issued). So, two more things:

1. What *exactly* was written in the refusal as justification for not granting age points ?
2. If the magistrate stamped and signed the certificate, what precisely is meant by your comment at the end of your message that 'it [was] not attested' ?

(Forgive me, but this issue has quite confused me.)
AG

Um, yes...I'm quite confused too.

Girish: first things first: in one sentence, what is your defence for your review? Meaning, what's your thesis statement, as it were?

Second: mercifully, I was approved on my first go, so I'm not entirely up on the nitpicks of the review process, but I am quite sure that submitting any further documentation is prohibited. All you're really allowed to submit is your actual explanation.

[girishkakade7]

In the refusal they wrote' The birth certificate was attested by the Town Magistrate . They required an original one.

In my town AGE/DOMICILE/NATIONALITY certificate i.e. Birth certificate are filled, issued and stamped by the magistrates office. The paper is hand written against the computerized filled columns.

My point is - HO thinks its an attested copy in fact its an original copy.

A. So i issued a letter from the magistrates office stating that its a true copy
B. and birth certificates are issued in the same manner. (by giving my brothers and my new birth certificate (which is same as the old one I submitted).

[gordon]

Well, it sounds like you'll need something to demonstrate that the document is, in fact, a birth certificate (or issued in lieu of a birth certificate), and that the document is an original. I understand what you've written, that you consider the document to be an original birth certificate - but given its title, surely you see how it can be drawn into question. Whether the document is an original, is one thing, but thereafter you still run into the problem that it's not a proper birth certificate. See the following thread, in which a date-of-birth certificate was not considered acceptable for age points:

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=16936

For what it's worth, this is how I think it will go: regardless of its authenticity as an original document, your age/nationality/domicile certificate will not serve as a birth certificate (based on that other case cited above, and the very obvious fact that your own document also doesn't actually say 'birth certificate' on it); so with a letter from the municipality indicating that no other document is available that serves as a proper birth certificate, you can then make the argument that your passport should be considered exceptionally.

AG

[ikon1400]

Hi Girish,

Call the customer caree and ask them to connecct to the HO who has taken decision in your case(HO name will be found in refusal letter). You speak to the HO confidently and try to xplain the case mean time figure out what he expects as parrt of ur review. its not easy but you can speak to him and trry to tel what you feel is right about ur case.

Do post here if you face any problems after this.

Cheers
ikon

[~J~]

Dear Ikon1400~

I am applying from India, Please clear my doubt -

1- converting my 12 months gross income from INR to GBP should be done on the last day of my last payslip submitted?

2 - my last payslip will be july 07 so I should convert the total INR amount on 31st this month and take a screen shot and include it in my cover letter?

3 - any other tips regarding converting to GBP and claiming?

My problem is am fluctuating between 75-80 points cos

from last week the currency has been fluctuating from 82.1 to 82.9 - the problem is that when the currency shows 82.1 then I come under 4900+ income bracket (which fetches me 25 points) and when curency rate more than 82.1 then i get less than 4900 and come under lesser bracket whcih fetches me 20 points... I know this doesnt affect as i still qualfy for HSMP

but am doubtful what to mention in the cover letter (how many points am claiming) should i write 75 or 80??

so was confirming if anywhere the HSMp team mentions a specific time when the coversion has to be done... i have read regarding last day of the last payslip?

i hope i have put my doubt clear enouhg

[push]

You should use the quote from XE.com for converting the INR amount to GBP. Use 31st July exchange rate. Once that is fixed, you can draft the cover letter accordingly.

And there is no need to provide any screenshots etc. and no other info regarding the exchange rate. Leave that to the case worker.

regards,

push_hsmp

Dear Ikon1400~

2 - my last payslip will be july 07 so I should convert the total INR amount on 31st this month and take a screen shot and include it in my cover letter?

3 - any other tips regarding converting to GBP and claiming?

My problem is am fluctuating between 75-80 points cos
but am doubtful what to mention in the cover letter (how many points am claiming) should i write 75 or 80??

[SYH]

In the refusal they wrote' The birth certificate was attested by the Town Magistrate . They required an original one.

In my town AGE/DOMICILE/NATIONALITY certificate i.e. Birth certificate are filled, issued and stamped by the magistrates office. The paper is hand written against the computerized filled columns.

My point is - HO thinks its an attested copy in fact its an original copy.

A. So i issued a letter from the magistrates office stating that its a true copy
B. and birth certificates are issued in the same manner. (by giving my brothers and my new birth certificate (which is same as the old one I submitted).

So what town and country is this??
And the best bet would be to get a letter from the magistrate stating that this certificate is considered a birth certificate and no other forms of proof of brith certified to prove date of birth, if that is what you are saying.

[gordon]

Point B in the post is still bothering me. An age/nationality/domicile certificate is not the same thing as a birth certificate, and the post indicates that 'birth certificates are issued in the same manner', presumably as the age/nationality/domicile certificates. Which then brings us back to the question of why an age/nationality/domicile certificate is being issued when a birth certificate is clearly an entirely separate but accessible record.

And the letter from the magistrate indicating that the 'age/nationality/domicile certificate' is an original, only goes so far unless it indicates that said document is also meant to serve as a birth certificate per se (and from what I understand, in India one has a broad range of certificates from which to choose, including those variously and separately for age, nationality, domicile, and birth).

AG

[~J~]

Thanks Push_hsmp~

my doubt regarding birth certificate - since i lost my old birth certificate, i got a new one done at the beginning of this year(recently) from the local municipal corporation of mumbai (for birth n death).

The birth certificate is signed by the registrar and says that the information is taken from the original record of birth registered.

1 - The problem is that this letter shows an issue date: march 07, so will this be a problem???
though it is original, has a stamp and signed by the registrar!!!

2 - do i need to put this in exceptional evidence??

3 - shall i also include a notarised copy of my passport?

4 - do i have to mention in the cover letter that since i lost my old birth certificate, i got a new one done which was issued recently???

5 - or am i worrying for no reason?? n go ahead and just send the birth certificate and nothing else? (am claiming 20 points)