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Fiance Visa for COA(Certificate of approval)

Post by arnomarga » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:18 am

Hi,

I am living in UK as a work permit holder, my fiancé is from Canada and she often comes here on visit visa. At the moment she is here for 6 months visit visa, as we already planed that we are going to get marry this time, I was filling Form COA(Certificate of approval), I found that she needs a Fiancé Visa in order to get marry here in this country.

My question is that can we send applications for COA without having her fiancé visa or she needs to go back and apply for fiancé visa in Canada?

Thanks

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Re: Fiance Visa for COA(Certificate of approval)

Post by Wanderer » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:20 am

arnomarga wrote:Hi,

I am living in UK as a work permit holder, my fiancé is from Canada and she often comes here on visit visa. At the moment she is here for 6 months visit visa, as we already planed that we are going to get marry this time, I was filling Form COA(Certificate of approval), I found that she needs a Fiancé Visa in order to get marry here in this country.

My question is that can we send applications for COA without having her fiancé visa or she needs to go back and apply for fiancé visa in Canada?

Thanks
Yes she need to go home. Even if she could marry on the VV, she'd still need to go home since you can't switch from a VV to almost anything.
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Post by arnomarga » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:08 pm

Thanks Wanderer!

My question is can we get marry here in UK as she got a visitor visa for 6 months? This morning I phoned home office and asked about this, lady over the phone said yes you can both apply for COA to get marry here and then she needs to go back and apply for spouce visa.

I asked my fiance to ring home office as well to double check about this, but she was informed that she can't get marry here, she needs to go back and come here on fiance visa.

I am little confused about this, can someone give us some advise about this issue?

Thanks in advance.

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Post by mym » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:01 pm

arnomarga wrote:Thanks Wanderer!

My question is can we get marry here in UK as she got a visitor visa for 6 months? This morning I phoned home office and asked about this, lady over the phone said yes you can both apply for COA to get marry here and then she needs to go back and apply for spouce visa.

I asked my fiance to ring home office as well to double check about this, but she was informed that she can't get marry here, she needs to go back and come here on fiance visa.

Thanks in advance.
What they told you is correct. What they told her, is not.

Read http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applyi ... artnership
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Post by eliasuk4u » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:12 am

My question is can we get marry here in UK as she got a visitor visa for 6 months?
No. not on visitors visa.
lady over the phone said yes you can both apply for COA to get marry here and then she needs to go back and apply for spouce visa.
She is wrong. If you can get a COA then you don't need to go back home to apply for spouse visa, you can switchn in country. In your case she is not eligible for applying COA in the first place because of her visitors visa. She has to go back home and apply for fiance visa which makes her eligible to apply for COA.
I asked my fiance to ring home office as well to double check about this, but she was informed that she can't get marry here, she needs to go back and come here on fiance visa.
That's correct.

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Post by yankeegirl » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:12 am

Just wanted to point out that if your fiance returns home and applies for a fiance visa, she won't have to apply for the COA when she comes back to the UK. The fiance visa is her entry clearance to the UK for the purpose of getting married, so it would be redundant to then apply for a COA to get permission to do something that she already has clearance to do.

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Post by Wanderer » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:00 am

yankeegirl wrote:Just wanted to point out that if your fiance returns home and applies for a fiance visa, she won't have to apply for the COA when she comes back to the UK. The fiance visa is her entry clearance to the UK for the purpose of getting married, so it would be redundant to then apply for a COA to get permission to do something that she already has clearance to do.
It's good to remember the CoA was introduced basically to stop people coming to UK on short term visa's (ie visitor) and marrying and claiming 'rights' and attempting to settle on the wrong visa.

So. it's to:

1. Stop dodgy marriages of convenince. Potential ones, of course.

2. talk to more visa fees from the unfortunate punter.
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Post by mym » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:26 am

eliasuk4u wrote:
My question is can we get marry here in UK as she got a visitor visa for 6 months?
No. not on visitors visa.
YES. Because of the court of appeal case the COA scheme was declared illegal.

Please check your facts before posting incorrect advice

lady over the phone said yes you can both apply for COA to get marry here and then she needs to go back and apply for spouce visa.
She is wrong. If you can get a COA then you don't need to go back home to apply for spouse visa, you can switchn in country. In your case she is not eligible for applying COA in the first place because of her visitors visa. She has to go back home and apply for fiance visa which makes her eligible to apply for COA.
NO.

If you get a COA, then get married in the UK, you must leave and apply for entrance as a Spouse/Civil Partner. You cannot switch to FLR in the UK if you were admitted as a visitor and then got a COA - see 284 (i) of the immigration rules.

She IS eligible to apply for a COA on a visit visa, as mentioned above.

You do NOT need a COA if you arrive in the UK with a Fiance/Proposed Civil Partner Visa.

Please check your facts before posting incorrect advice
I asked my fiance to ring home office as well to double check about this, but she was informed that she can't get marry here, she needs to go back and come here on fiance visa.
That's correct.
NO it is not.

As I advised, please read http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applyi ... artnership
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Post by eliasuk4u » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:56 pm

arnomarga, You should take advice from people like mym who mislead people like you. If you apply for a COA you will be loseing £295 on fees and get a refusal letter.
Goodluck.

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Post by Wanderer » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:59 pm

eliasuk4u wrote:arnomarga, You should take advice from people like mym who mislead people like you. If you apply for a COA you will be loseing £295 on fees and get a refusal letter.
Goodluck.
The still current CoA guidelines say current LTR must be more than six months and three months must remain.

I thought the three month bit had been lifted but the notes say not.
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Post by mym » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:11 pm

Wanderer wrote:
eliasuk4u wrote:arnomarga, You should take advice from people like mym who mislead people like you. If you apply for a COA you will be loseing £295 on fees and get a refusal letter.
Goodluck.
The still current CoA guidelines say current LTR must be more than six months and three months must remain.

I thought the three month bit had been lifted but the notes say not.
The notes on the form are out of date, the limits are amended pending the appeal.
As I keep pointing out, read http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applyi ... artnership

Specifically section 3.
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Post by mym » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:14 pm

eliasuk4u wrote:arnomarga, You should take advice from people like mym who mislead people like you.
I gave information with references to the immigration rules, you just gave (incorrect) opinions.

Please point out where I have corrected you wrongly.

And then apologise.
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Post by arnomarga » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:38 pm

Thanks for everybody!

I have just spoken with someone from home office over the phone and asked the same question, she replied that my fiancé is totally eligible to apply for a COA on a visit visa. If home office approved and after marriage, she needs to go back and apply for spouse visa from her home country.

mym: you are totally right, I am really very much thankful to you for your expert advise.

We are going to send applications tomorrow with good hopes.

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Post by mym » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:04 pm

arnomarga wrote: mym: you are totally right, I am really very much thankful to you for your expert advise.

We are going to send applications tomorrow with good hopes.
Good luck!
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Post by VictoriaS » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:24 pm

I have heard some people say that they have obtained the COA on a visit visa. However, there doesn't seem to be any continuity on this, as most people don't apply as they have been informed that they will be refused. It is a chance you will be taking, but don't be surprised if it fails.

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Post by arnomarga » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:44 am

Today we received acknowledgement letter from Home Office confirming about the applications and also our case will be forwarding to caseworker unit.

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Post by arnomarga » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:26 am

Hi Guys,

Today we received a letter from Home Office in regard to our application for Certificate of Approval, The letter was addressed to my fiancé name but they asked affidavit from both of us about when and where we meet and proof of living together, bills or letters.

We got plenty of evidence, like a joint utility bill, her bank account in this country, NHS documents, a joint credit card which she was using while she was in Canada, phone bills where I made calls to Canada everyday, emails and other stuffs.

We planed to get civil/court marriage here after getting COA approval, then I want to have a little ceremony for Nikah(Islamic Legal marriage contract) in a mosque and then we are going to Pakistan (I am originally from Pakistan) and there we are going to have a big marriage reception according to our culture and religion.

Home Office asked in their letter “Have you made arrangements to have a religious ceremony? If so please give details including the nature o ceremony, the Religion and the name of the person who is expected to carry out the religious ceremony.â€

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Post by arnomarga » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:17 am

Hi Everyone!

We would like to say a special thanks to all the people who contributed their time, energy, and expertise to help us make this application. Today we received our COA approval from Home Office and they allowed us to marry in this country. We are very happy and also we would like to give a special thanks to all of the people that made this possible.

We would also like to say BIG Thanks! to Mark Y-M that made this possible.

Thank You!

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Post by mym » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:25 pm

Congratulations :)
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