Mom Dutch, Can I qualify?

[mads]

HI guys
Was just wondering? My mom is dutch (born in HOlland) and her parents immigrated in 1960's to South Africa. My Dad is south african. Is there a way that my brothers and I could qualify for a eu passport through my mom?
THank you as always
Mads

[sakura]

HI guys
Was just wondering? My mom is dutch (born in HOlland) and her parents immigrated in 1960's to South Africa. My Dad is south african. Is there a way that my brothers and I could qualify for a eu passport through my mom?
THank you as always
Mads

Have you done any research about this? What do you know so far?
Give us dates and details about the relevant parties - mother, father, yourself and siblings.
Also...it says you're in the UK - under what visa category?

[John]

Were you and your siblings born on or after 01.01.1985? If so, it is looking good, accordingly to this Wipipedia page.

But you will see from that page that if born before 01.01.1985 then it is not looking so good.

Why doesn't your mother contact the Dutch embassy in SA and ask about the arrangements for getting you and your siblings Dutch passports .... as regards those born on or after 01.01.1985. No doubt some form-filling, but hopefully a shiny new Dutch passport ..... entitling you to live anywhere in the EU or EEA.

Do you want to post the year of birth of you and your siblings?

[mads]

THanks guys. Have just checked out wikepedia. Unfortunately we were all born before 1985 (my youngest brother misses it by a narrow margin) My mom did not register our births before 1988 therefore a no go for us.
Thank you for your replies - was a longshot.
I know that the law is being appealed, does anyone have any links or updates about the appeal or point me in the right direction?
I am on a spouse visa so no worries for me, but was looking for a way for my brothers.
regards
mads

[Fairtrade]

If you were born before 1 January 1985 outside the Netherlands as the legitimate, legitimated or acknowledged child of a non-Dutch father and a Dutch mother, you are not a Dutch national by birth. At the time, under the terms of the Netherlands Citizenship and Residence in the Netherlands Act 1892, a child could only acquire Dutch nationality if it had a Dutch father.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/welcome/DutchC ... tchx_.html


It is funny that the Dutch would not acknowledge you as a Dutch citizen because you were born before 1985 but they would allow thousands of asylum seekers in with no Dutch language knowledge and no Dutch heritage. So much so that the Dutch would be a minority in their own country within a hundred years.

[brownbonno]

If you were born before 1 January 1985 outside the Netherlands as the legitimate, legitimated or acknowledged child of a non-Dutch father and a Dutch mother, you are not a Dutch national by birth. At the time, under the terms of the Netherlands Citizenship and Residence in the Netherlands Act 1892, a child could only acquire Dutch nationality if it had a Dutch father.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/welcome/DutchC ... tchx_.html


It is funny that the Dutch would not acknowledge you as a Dutch citizen because you were born before 1985 but they would allow thousands of asylum seekers in with no Dutch language knowledge and no Dutch heritage. So much so that the Dutch would be a minority in their own country within a hundred years.

Immigrants and asylum seekers are always at the receiving end of any legislation that do not favour nationals.
How does the admission of asylum seekers affects legislation that do not favour Dutch decendant children?Don't forget that South Africans where at a time minority in their own country(catch 22).The people in question migrated to SA at a time to enjoy the bounties(economic migrants) or asylum seekers,they had all the opportunities that the land could offer(at the expense of Mandela and Co).They could as well seek asylum again if thy have an reason to do so or seek repatration.I am sure Fairtrade can give the best advice.

[Fairtrade]

Brownbonna, all I was saying is that if your mother is a Dutch national than surely the kids born to a Dutch national should at least be half Dutch and entitled to a Dutch EU passport or would you say no to that?

How does the admission of asylum seekers affects legislation that do not favour Dutch decendant children?

Shouldn't it be obvious that somebody born to a Dutch mother should be at least half Dutch. If you look at countries like Ireland and the UK citizens can claim citizenship via an ancestral visa (meaning a citizen can claim UK/ Irish citizenship through at least a grandparent being born in the UK or in the case of Ireland at least a great grandparent born in Ireland. I made an observation saying that it seems to be easier to get citizenship through claiming asylum in the Netherlands than to get citizenship through your mother being Dutch.

I also don't think Dutch nationals migrated to South Africa in the 60s to claim asylum they legally migrated to South Africa following the normal migration routes for example paying for visas etc. Can you please give an example where dutch families ever claimed asylum in the 60s 70s 80s 90s in South Africa?

Why are you bringing up this nonsense that they migrated at the expens of Mandela and Co? Yes Apartheid was wrong but surely you can't say everybody that migrated from Europe to South Africa did so at the expenss of Mandela and Co? I am sure the person (Mads) wanting to know whether their siblings are entitled to Dutch citizenship by being born to a Dutch mother are not responsible for throwing Mandela and Co. in jail and oprssing the indigenous people? ?How do you know that they went to South Africa to opress the locals or to claim asylum???

I mean really are you now also going to blame the British for migrating to Australia and opressing the local indigenous Aboriginals? Are you going to blame the British for migrating to the US and opressing the native Indians in their own country?

[brownbonno]

I do appreciate your efforts to put up your opinion which indeed John have already given a good advice/direction which is within the obit of the Law-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_nati ... tch_parent

The issue of asylum seekers need not arise in this case.You should be aware that the Dutch government intentional changed the law to deter people that did not contribute to the rebuilding of Holland after the war from coming back to enjoy the 'new world'.There are cities today which are in the German territory,but where originally Holland town and cities(Aachen is an exmple).
Take a trip to maastricht,Rotterdam,Den Haag,Eindhoven etc then you have a picture of much input it takes to be what it is today.
Go back to your history books,the migration of British to the Australia and the US or Africa was purely for economic reasons.

[JAJ]

But you will see from that page that if born before 01.01.1985 then it is not looking so good.

Why doesn't your mother contact the Dutch embassy in SA and ask about the arrangements for getting you and your siblings Dutch passports .... as regards those born on or after 01.01.1985. No doubt some form-filling, but hopefully a shiny new Dutch passport ..... entitling you to live anywhere in the EU or EEA.

Do you want to post the year of birth of you and your siblings?

And not only that, if the Dutch mother became a naturalised South African citizen, she may have lost her Dutch citizenship at that point.

[Fairtrade]

The Netherlands do not allow dual citizenship like Britain and other countries but there are some exceptions.

Under the amended Nationality Act of 1 April 2003, (unofficially translated) an adult who voluntarily acquires the nationality of another country, will lose his/her Dutch nationality

except in the following cases:

- if you were born in the country of your other nationality and were living there when you acquired the nationality of that country; or
- if you, before you turned 18, lived in the country of that other nationality for an uninterrupted period of five years, or
- if you are married to a person who possesses the nationality you wish to acquire.

A Dutch adult with dual nationality living abroad:
If you hold a foreign nationality alongside the Dutch nationality for ten years, and have residency outside the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the European Union for ten years after reaching the age of 18 or after reaching adulthood e.g. through marriage, you will lose your Dutch nationality.

However:
You can ensure that you retain your Dutch nationality by:

- having your principal residence in the Kingdom of the Netherlands or the European Union for at least one year; or
- obtaining a Dutch passport or proof of Dutch nationality before the end of the ten-year period.