Right of Abode or British Passport or Indian Passport?

[20shamat]

There is no minimum period before a British passport may be applied for. An unexpired CoE-RoA will be cancelled, if the British passport is issued.

Many thanks Vinny,

[20shamat]

Hi Guys
Can anyone provide with information regarding submission of the original documenst for ROA, since am in UK and the application for my baby's ROA will be submitted by my wife in India, do I need to send my Original British PP and Naturaliation certificate for verification at the VFS centre?
(sorry if this query was asked before, could not find it)
Thanks
Best regards

[Mahesh Gowda]

Hi Guys
Can anyone provide with information regarding submission of the original documenst for ROA, since am in UK and the application for my baby's ROA will be submitted by my wife in India, do I need to send my Original British PP and Naturaliation certificate for verification at the VFS centre?
(sorry if this query was asked before, could not find it)
Thanks
Best regards

I don't think so,

Your passport copy should be ok, bcoz you hold British passport issued by passport office uk, they can always verify it.

FYI you should never post your PASSPORT.

IF you are still concerned, you can get certificate copy of British passport and Naturalisation certificate from
post office uk and send it to india.

[vinny]

FYI you should never post your PASSPORT.

Agree.

[20shamat]

Hi Guys
Can anyone provide with information regarding submission of the original documenst for ROA, since am in UK and the application for my baby's ROA will be submitted by my wife in India, do I need to send my Original British PP and Naturaliation certificate for verification at the VFS centre?
(sorry if this query was asked before, could not find it)
Thanks
Best regards

I don't think so,

Your passport copy should be ok, bcoz you hold British passport issued by passport office uk, they can always verify it.

FYI you should never post your PASSPORT.

IF you are still concerned, you can get certificate copy of British passport and Naturalisation certificate from
post office uk and send it to india.

Gowdre,
1) Certification you mean, the photocopies of my Passport & Naturalisation certificate will be certified by the post office staff as true copies of the original?( astonishing that the staff has such authority and accepted by world over). hope there may be a fee for certifying the copies?
2) Do you think if I get them certified by solicitor will be more appropriate and convincing to the VFS staff in India, Bengaluru?
3) Also I understand from yours & Vinny's statement that the Passport should never leave (post or through someone) the country without its owner/holder, however, for discussion sake, if my spouse submit my authorisation letter with the orginal passport stating the intention it has been produced do they still refuse/not accept the application? also withhold my original passport. Has this happened to anyone before.?

Vinny, could you please confirm/educate if there is any such rule/regulation within the visa regulation for point 3. (I have read your links refering to similar discussion of not sending the original passport)

[Mahesh Gowda]

Hi Guys
Can anyone provide with information regarding submission of the original documenst for ROA, since am in UK and the application for my baby's ROA will be submitted by my wife in India, do I need to send my Original British PP and Naturaliation certificate for verification at the VFS centre?
(sorry if this query was asked before, could not find it)
Thanks
Best regards

I don't think so,

Your passport copy should be ok, bcoz you hold British passport issued by passport office uk, they can always verify it.

FYI you should never post your PASSPORT.

IF you are still concerned, you can get certificate copy of British passport and Naturalisation certificate from
post office uk and send it to india.

Gowdre,
1) Certification you mean, the photocopies of my Passport & Naturalisation certificate will be certified by the post office staff as true copies of the original?( astonishing that the staff has such authority and accepted by world over). hope there may be a fee for certifying the copies?
2) Do you think if I get them certified by solicitor will be more appropriate and convincing to the VFS staff in India, Bengaluru?
3) Also I understand from yours & Vinny's statement that the Passport should never leave (post or through someone) the country without its owner/holder, however, for discussion sake, if my spouse submit my authorisation letter with the orginal passport stating the intention it has been produced do they still refuse/not accept the application? also withhold my original passport. Has this happened to anyone before.?

Vinny, could you please confirm/educate if there is any such rule/regulation within the visa regulation for point 3. (I have read your links refering to similar discussion of not sending the original passport)

1. U r right, photocopies certified by post office uk, its accepted by UKVI.

2. I Dont see any point you satisfying VFS, VFS is just an agency
To collect your documents.
UKVI is the authority you need to satisfy as per requirements specified.
Getting it cetified by solicitor may or may not add value unless it is asked for

3. Yes when you first got your British passport, the booklet came with it clearly specifies passport should never be posted.

All the best, VFS is just the agent and not deciding authority.

[20shamat]

Thanks Mahesh
Do you have covering letter format to go with the application.
Regards

[ranji82]

Hi Guys ..

I applied for My sons ROA on 4th of May and its rejected .. saying that I haven't submitted Sponsers Orginal British Nationality Certificate ... These are list of documents I sent

Applicant original passport
Applicant original birth certificate
Applicant Father Original Naturalisation certificate
Copy of applicant’s Father British Passport
Copy of applicant’s Mother Passport
Applicant parent's marriage certificate
Applicant Father Address Proof in UK
Applicant Father bank statement (3 months)

I did send my orginal naturalisation certificate and copy of my passport self attested .. is there any documents I missed .. please help me .. I can't even reappeal .. is there any other options other than re applyng??

Thanks,
Ranjith

[vinny]

How did you submit the documents?

If you are absolutely certain that you had enclosed your naturalisation certificate, then ask them to confirm that they've lost it. Also ask them for sufficient compensation so that you can get a replacement certificate and make a new CoE-RoA application.

Did you keep copies of everything that you submitted, including a copy of the certificate?

[20shamat]

Hi Guys ..

I applied for My sons ROA on 4th of May and its rejected .. saying that I haven't submitted Sponsers Orginal British Nationality Certificate ... These are list of documents I sent

Applicant original passport
Applicant original birth certificate
Applicant Father Original Naturalisation certificate
Copy of applicant’s Father British Passport
Copy of applicant’s Mother Passport
Applicant parent's marriage certificate
Applicant Father Address Proof in UK
Applicant Father bank statement (3 months)

I did send my orginal naturalisation certificate and copy of my passport self attested .. is there any documents I missed .. please help me .. I can't even reappeal .. is there any other options other than re applyng??

Thanks,
Ranjith

Hi Ranjit,
I'm submitting my Son's ROA next week, I had asked similar query about sending my original passport to India but was adviced against sending it. Instead (as you may have read above) I was asked to submit certified copy (from post office UK) of the original British PP. I suppose you sent self attested copy instead of Certified copy.
Regards

[ranji82]

How did you submit the documents?

If you are absolutely certain that you had enclosed your naturalisation certificate, then ask them to confirm that they've lost it. Also ask them for sufficient compensation so that you can get a replacement certificate and make a new CoE-RoA application.

Did you keep copies of everything that you submitted, including a copy of the certificate?

Hi Vinny ..

Thanks for the reply .. I sent the document and they sent all the documents back including naturalisation certificate. How can I get the compensation If I haven't lost any of my orginal documents.

Thanks,
Ranjith

[ranji82]

Hi Guys ..

I applied for My sons ROA on 4th of May and its rejected .. saying that I haven't submitted Sponsers Orginal British Nationality Certificate ... These are list of documents I sent

Applicant original passport
Applicant original birth certificate
Applicant Father Original Naturalisation certificate
Copy of applicant’s Father British Passport
Copy of applicant’s Mother Passport
Applicant parent's marriage certificate
Applicant Father Address Proof in UK
Applicant Father bank statement (3 months)

I did send my orginal naturalisation certificate and copy of my passport self attested .. is there any documents I missed .. please help me .. I can't even reappeal .. is there any other options other than re applyng??

Thanks,
Ranjith

Hi Ranjit,
I'm submitting my Son's ROA next week, I had asked similar query about sending my original passport to India but was adviced against sending it. Instead (as you may have read above) I was asked to submit certified copy (from post office UK) of the original British PP. I suppose you sent self attested copy instead of Certified copy.
Regards

Hi Ishant,

I sent self attested copy of my british passport and orginal naturalisation certificate.

Thanks,
Ranjith.

[20shamat]

So Ranjit, Probably your application is rejected b'coz you did not send the certified copy of the British PP and they have not accepted the self attested copy?
The experts in the forum too can clarify if I'm wrong.
thanks

[ranji82]

So Ranjit, Probably your application is rejected b'coz you did not send the certified copy of the British PP and they have not accepted the self attested copy?
The experts in the forum too can clarify if I'm wrong.
thanks

Might be Ishant .. but as per listed required documents .. Naturalisation Certificate is Mandatory .. haven't mentioned about passport copy .. but now I am planning to send certified copy of British PP from both post office and Solicitor.

[vinny]

Ask them to clarify what their problem was.

Let them know that they did send back your original naturalisation certificate to you, the one they said you hadn't sent.

[20shamat]

Ranjit,
This link might be useful just in case .. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... M_RROA.pdf

[vinny]

we have failed to take account of relevant documents or information in our possession.

[ranji82]

Ask them to clarify what their problem was.

Let them know that they did send back your original naturalisation certificate to you, the one they said you hadn't sent.

Vinny .. Thanks for the advise .. How can I convey this to them .. its clearly mentioned

" In relation to this decsion there is no right of appeal or right to administrate review "

Thanks,
Ranjith

[ranji82]

Ranjit,
This link might be useful just in case .. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... M_RROA.pdf

Thanks for this Ishant .. I am not sure will they reconsider application as its applied from India?

[vinny]

Try sending them an email, as mpemma did?

[20shamat]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone help me with some answer to few questions below, I was completing the online ROA application for my baby in India.
1) What is your permanent residential address and contact details? (UK or India)
2 )How long have you lived at this address? (if UK then nil or N/A, if India 8 months)
3) Are your preferred contact details different from the contact details already provided above?( if India its NO, if UK then Yes)
4) Please enter details of what you plan to do whilst in the UK ( Live with parents)
5) Do you have any friends or family in the UK? ( provided parents name & address)
Thanks & Regards

[20shamat]

Hi Member,

I'm applying for ROA for my baby, could anyone advice me whose signature/name should be at the end of the declaration (online application), is it the name of the baby's mother(since she is submitting the application on behalf of baby) or it should be the baby's name (I presume they will take thumb impression of the baby at VFS).
Sorry I searched this forum for an answer could not find it.
thanks in advance.
Best regards

[ranji82]

Hi Guys,

I got British Citizen Ship via Naturalisation and My baby born in india after my naturalisation.

I applied for Right of Abode for My Kid .. Its got rejected 2 times .. First time they can't see the My Original Naturalization Certificate I provided along with the application.

Second time they rejected stating

" I accepted that you have now submitted your father's certificate of naturalisation. How ever, I note that he had obtained his British Citizenship by registration under Section 6(1) which does not entitle you to Right of Abode in the UK. I draw your attention to the following link. which details eligibility for a right of abode in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _57_v4.pdf

There fore your application is refused in accordance with section 2(1) of the 1971 Act "

Please can you advice .. Are they right rejecting my kids application?

Thanks,
Ranjith.

[Mahesh Gowda]

Hi Member,
I'm applying for ROA for my baby, could anyone advice me whose signature/name should be at the end of the declaration (online application), is it the name of the baby's mother(since she is submitting the application on behalf of baby) or it should be the baby's name (I presume they will take thumb impression of the baby at VFS).
Sorry I searched this forum for an answer could not find it.
thanks in advance.
Best regards

Did you see guidance notes?
In general, when you apply for babies its parents signature.

In your case, its mother signature bcoz she is submitting

[Mahesh Gowda]

Hi Guys,

I got British Citizen Ship via Naturalisation and My baby born in india after my naturalisation.

I applied for Right of Abode for My Kid .. Its got rejected 2 times .. First time they can't see the My Original Naturalization Certificate I provided along with the application.

Second time they rejected stating

" I accepted that you have now submitted your father's certificate of naturalisation. How ever, I note that he had obtained his British Citizenship by registration under Section 6(1) which does not entitle you to Right of Abode in the UK. I draw your attention to the following link. which details eligibility for a right of abode in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _57_v4.pdf

There fore your application is refused in accordance with section 2(1) of the 1971 Act "

Please can you advice .. Are they right rejecting my kids application?

Thanks,
Ranjith.

Hello Ranjith

Its quite unfortunate that they have rejected it twice even though you child is clearly eligible for ROA.

My questions to you.

When ROA was rejected first time, Vinny has advised few things such has email them and also refered you a similar case(Try sending them an email, as mpemma did?) DID YOU FOLLOW THEM?

You state that you had submitted your original naturalisation certificate first time, did you send a covering letter with it to say
1. List of Documents enclosed.
2. You are sponsoring your childs trip to uk.

What is your spouse visa status?

Can you post your rejection letter? Just the reason for rejection (Both 1st time and 2nd time)

Again your baby is eligible for ROA
Section 2(1)(a)

All the best