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ILR for parent

Post by Kenny001 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:26 pm

Hi,

My dad who is visiting the UK was involved in a car accident. He is recovering from his injuries at the hospital, but will need intensive rehab when he is discharged from the hospital.

This means that he will not be able to travel back before 6moth deadline. He has a 2yrs visiting visa to may 08..

As we do not know how long his treatment will take, I am thinking of applying for indefinite leave to remain based on this incident. He is 62

Could somebody please tell me

If this is possible
Which form to fill out
documents to submit
Any additional info will be welcomed

Thank you

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Post by avjones » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:42 pm

What is his nationality? What is yours, and your immigration status in the UK? How is he being treated, under insurance, for example?
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Post by Kenny001 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:17 am

My Nationality = british
His = Ghanian

He's at the NHS hospital at the moment (brought in by the ambulance). no body has said anything to us yet about payment.

For rehab, I understand that if he has a pending application with the HO, he will be treated under NHS, if not we would go private. We do not know how long he will need rehab for.

Thank you

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Post by avjones » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:02 am

I can't see how he could get ILR, to be honest. There is no real provision in the Immigration Rules, other than the one relating to dependant relatives, and your father would face the more difficult test as he's under 65.

Your father isn't entitled to NHS care, by the way. Does he not have private health insurance?
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Re: ILR for parent

Post by olisun » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:03 am

Kenny001 wrote:My dad who is visiting the UK was involved in a car accident.
Was he the driver of the vehicle?

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Post by vinny » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:54 pm

Hope that he will get better soon. He is eligible for free NHS treatments given in an accident and emergency department or treatments given in a walk in centre providing similar services to those of an accident and emergency department of a hospital.

He may be able to extend his leave to remain as a visitor for private medical follow-up treatments (paragraph 54).

See also Chapter 2 - Visitors, Section 3 - Visitors for private medical treatment (3. LEAVE TO REMAIN AS A VISITOR FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT) and Chapter 2 - Visitors annexes, Annex F - Guidance - visitors for private medical treatment (3.6. Follow-up treatment).
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Post by Kenny001 » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:31 am

Was he the driver of the vehicle?
No he hit by another car.

I can't see how he could get ILR, to be honest. There is no real provision in the Immigration Rules, other than the one relating to dependant relatives, and your father would face the more difficult test as he's under 65.
We are thinking of applying under family member of a dependant. His health is not generally good. Also as a result of this accident and his need for extensive rehab care. Could we not apply on the basis that he cannot go back home as there will be no body to look after him at home.
His mobility etc is affected by this accident and we are afraid that he cannot cope if he returns home as he lives on his home.

We are happy to foot his health care cost by our selves. We just want him here with us. Thank you

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Post by avjones » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:00 pm

what are his circumstances at home? Does he have relatives there? What is his source of income?
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Post by Kenny001 » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:05 pm

His only source of income is from us and Lives on his own. My other brother back home is not working. We support him financially too.

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Post by JAJ » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:24 pm

Kenny001 wrote: We are thinking of applying under family member of a dependant. His health is not generally good. Also as a result of this accident and his need for extensive rehab care. Could we not apply on the basis that he cannot go back home as there will be no body to look after him at home.
His mobility etc is affected by this accident and we are afraid that he cannot cope if he returns home as he lives on his home.

We are happy to foot his health care cost by our selves. We just want him here with us. Thank you
But if none of you have ILR or British citizenship then the view of the Home Office may well be that you should all return to your home country to care for him.

Can anyone in the family get ILR on their own merit?

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Post by avjones » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:47 pm

Kenny - you're going to need specific professional advice, I think - this is too complicated for this kind of forum.
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Post by avjones » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:48 pm

JAJ wrote: But if none of you have ILR or British citizenship then the view of the Home Office may well be that you should all return to your home country to care for him.

Can anyone in the family get ILR on their own merit?
The OP is a British citizen, he said, higher up the thread.
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Post by JAJ » Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:11 pm

avjones wrote:
JAJ wrote: But if none of you have ILR or British citizenship then the view of the Home Office may well be that you should all return to your home country to care for him.

Can anyone in the family get ILR on their own merit?
The OP is a British citizen, he said, higher up the thread.

Ah - ok, he said he was "thinking of applying for ILR" which put me off.

In that case, he should definitely get professional advice.

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Post by Kenny001 » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:39 pm

Thank you. I will seek professional advice.

But I just wonder that based on all your vast & prior experiences, if anyone thinks that there is any chance of this application being successful..... or not?

I would also appreciate any advice/input. Atleast I will be equiped with some kind of knowledge before approaching a solicitor for help.

Pls guys, I would appreciate your input

thank you

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Post by avjones » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:33 am

It's going to be a very tricky application, and needs to be done with care.

There are 2 possible routes under the Immigration Rules (IR). The first is as a visitor for private medical treatment:
Requirements for leave to enter as a visitor for private medical treatment

51. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom as a visitor for private medical treatment are that he:

(i) meets the requirements set out in paragraph 41 (iii)-(vii) for entry as a visitor; and

(ii) in the case of a person suffering from a communicable disease, has satisfied the Medical Inspector that there is no danger to public health; and

(iii) can show, if required to do so, that any proposed course of treatment is of finite duration; and

(vi) intends to leave the United Kingdom at the end of his treatment; and

(v) can produce satisfactory evidence, if required to do so, of:

(a) the medical condition requiring consultation or treatment; and

(b) satisfactory arrangements for the necessary consultation or treatment at his own expense; and

(c) the estimated costs of such consultation or treatment; and

(d) the likely duration of his visit; and

(e) sufficient funds available to him in the United Kingdom to meet the estimated costs and his undertaking to do so.



The second is as a dependant relative under 65 years old:

Requirements for indefinite leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as the parent, grandparent or other dependent relative of a person present and settled in the United Kingdom

317. The requirements to be met by a person seeking indefinite leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as the parent, grandparent or other dependent relative of a person present and settled in the United Kingdom are that the person:

(i) is related to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom in one of the following ways:

(......

(e) parent or grandparent under the age of 65 if living alone outside the United Kingdom in the most exceptional compassionate circumstances and mainly dependent financially on relatives settled in the United Kingdom;



Under the first option, the guidance suggests that the NHS treatment he's already had may be a problem.

Caseworkers should consider all cases in the light of the on-entry key points and, in addition, must be satisfied that:
􀂋 the arrangements for consultation and/or treatment are satisfactory;
􀂋 the treatment will be of finite duration:
􀂋 the applicant has sufficient funds to meet the cost of the treatment and all other expenses;
􀂋 that he has paid for any treatment he has already received and intends to continue to pay.



There is some hope, though, in another part of the guidance:

3.1. Seeking leave for the purpose of receiving NHS treatment
The Immigration Rules do not provide for persons to be granted leave for the sole purpose of receiving free treatment under the NHS. Except in circumstances set out in paragraph 3.7 below, entry clearance or leave to enter for this purpose should be refused or cancelled under Paragraph 320(1) or paragraph 321(A) respectively and leave to remain under Paragraph 322(1).

Applications for leave to remain to complete a course of NHS treatment which has already begun should also be refused unless it would clearly be unreasonable to requirethe applicant to leave the United Kingdom (e.g. because he was in hospital following an accident). A decision to allow him to remain for a limited period should not be made below Senior Caseworker level. Where refusal is appropriate, the refusal notice should be accompanied by a letter advising that, if the person was prepared to seek the treatment privately, it would be open to him to make a fresh application for leave to remain.


The second option under the IR is always a hard one - "most exceptional compassionate circumstances" is a very hard test to mee. In addition, you said he has another son, your brother, in Ghana?

When does his visa actually expire?

It may be he should just apply to extend his visitor's visa, in the exceptional circumstances of his accident.
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People should always consider obtaining professional advice about their own particular circumstances.

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