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How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by EEAMum » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:27 am

Good day all,

I am a Nigerian living in the UK and my PR was obtained through my EEA Dutch husband. On my PR it states RESIDENCE CARD OF A FAMILY MEMBER OF A UNION CITIZEN

Please i need the following advice;

1. I have been married since 2010, but got my PR this May 2016. When do i qualify for a british passport. Is it 1 year from the date of my PR OR am i already qualified given its been 6 years since i married my EEA husband.
2. How to apply for my British passport now that i have obtained my PR?
3. Do i have to fill/apply for naturalisation using the form AN - Application for Naturalisation as a British Citizen?
4. If it is a yes to question 2, do you know how long the process takes? i waited 7 months for my PR and almost ran mad waiting.
5. If it is a no to question 2, do i just fill a UK passport application form and send?
6. Can i apply for a british passport for my new born son straightaway given i have PR? he was born last month.

Please help me. thank you.

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:42 am

EEAMum wrote:Good day all,

I am a Nigerian living in the UK and my PR was obtained through my EEA Dutch husband. On my PR it states RESIDENCE CARD OF A FAMILY MEMBER OF A UNION CITIZEN

Please i need the following advice;

1. I have been married since 2010, but got my PR this May 2016. When do i qualify for a british passport. Is it 1 year from the date of my PR OR am i already qualified given its been 6 years since i married my EEA husband.
2. How to apply for my British passport now that i have obtained my PR?
3. Do i have to fill/apply for naturalisation using the form AN - Application for Naturalisation as a British Citizen?
4. If it is a yes to question 2, do you know how long the process takes? i waited 7 months for my PR and almost ran mad waiting.
5. If it is a no to question 2, do i just fill a UK passport application form and send?
6. Can i apply for a british passport for my new born son straightaway given i have PR? he was born last month.

Please help me. thank you.
1) Naturalisation comes first. Passport application is a separate and further step.

if you are sure you had acquired PR status over a year ago (and all other requirements for privilege of citizenship have been/can be met) then apply to naturalise.

2) See #1

3) Yes.

4) Several months to a year or more.
HO puts the zen into citizenship.

5) No. See #3 & #1

6) Yes you can do that.
See https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... plications
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by EEAMum » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:55 am

noajthan wrote:
EEAMum wrote:Good day all,

I am a Nigerian living in the UK and my PR was obtained through my EEA Dutch husband. On my PR it states RESIDENCE CARD OF A FAMILY MEMBER OF A UNION CITIZEN

Please i need the following advice;

1. I have been married since 2010, but got my PR this May 2016. When do i qualify for a british passport. Is it 1 year from the date of my PR OR am i already qualified given its been 6 years since i married my EEA husband.
2. How to apply for my British passport now that i have obtained my PR?
3. Do i have to fill/apply for naturalisation using the form AN - Application for Naturalisation as a British Citizen?
4. If it is a yes to question 2, do you know how long the process takes? i waited 7 months for my PR and almost ran mad waiting.
5. If it is a no to question 2, do i just fill a UK passport application form and send?
6. Can i apply for a british passport for my new born son straightaway given i have PR? he was born last month.

Please help me. thank you.
1) Naturalisation comes first. Passport application is a separate and further step.

if you are sure you had acquired PR status over a year ago (and all other requirements for privilege of citizenship have been/can be met) then apply to naturalise.

2) See #1

3) Yes.

4) Several months to a year or more.
HO puts the zen into citizenship.

5) No. See #3 & #1

6) Yes you can do that.
See https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... plications

***if you are sure you had acquired PR status over a year ago (and all other requirements for privilege of citizenship have been/can be met) then apply to naturalise.***

how do you mean?

1. i was under the impression that you acquire PR status 5 years from your date of marriage?
2. what does ''all other requirements for privilege of citizenship'' mean in plain english? i'm a complete novice in this subject please.

thank you.

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:00 pm

EEAMum wrote:***if you are sure you had acquired PR status over a year ago (and all other requirements for privilege of citizenship have been/can be met) then apply to naturalise.***

how do you mean?

1. i was under the impression that you acquire PR status 5 years from your date of marriage?
2. what does ''all other requirements for privilege of citizenship'' mean in plain english? i'm a complete novice in this subject please.

thank you.
1) Yes if you are the spouse of a Union citizen who either has PR status themselves or else is is a qualified person who has has been exercising treaty rights continuously in UK for the duration of your 5 years marriage (& life) in UK.

Are you sure you have got a confirmation of PR card (not just a RC)?

2) See AN guide for naturalisation:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... e_2016.pdf
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by EEAMum » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:03 pm

noajthan wrote:
EEAMum wrote:***if you are sure you had acquired PR status over a year ago (and all other requirements for privilege of citizenship have been/can be met) then apply to naturalise.***

how do you mean?

1. i was under the impression that you acquire PR status 5 years from your date of marriage?
2. what does ''all other requirements for privilege of citizenship'' mean in plain english? i'm a complete novice in this subject please.

thank you.
1) Yes if you are the spouse of a Union citizen who either has PR status themselves or else is is a qualified person who has has been exercising treaty rights continuously in UK for the duration of your 5 years marriage (& life) in UK.

Are you sure you have got a confirmation of PR card (not just a RC)?

2) See AN guide for naturalisation:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... e_2016.pdf

on the card it says
TYPE OF PERMIT - PERMANENT RESIDENCE

isnt that a permanent residence card? i applied for it using the EEAPR form. please do not scare me now...

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:07 pm

EEAMum wrote:on the card it says
TYPE OF PERMIT - PERMANENT RESIDENCE

isnt that a permanent residence card? i applied for it using the EEAPR form. please do not scare me now...
Sounds like its all good.

See also:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1371936
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by ohara » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:31 pm

noajthan wrote:
EEAMum wrote:on the card it says
TYPE OF PERMIT - PERMANENT RESIDENCE

isnt that a permanent residence card? i applied for it using the EEAPR form. please do not scare me now...
Sounds like its all good.

See also:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1371936
Careful, the non-EEA permanent residence card looks a lot different to the EEA document certifying permanent residence as it is a biometric card and not a simple vignette stuck on paper.

OP should have one of these:

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EEAMum does not seem to be aware that one needs to be a British citizen in order to be eligible for a British citizen passport. Permanent residence is not British citizenship.

It seems the OP has held PR status for over 12 months (based on May 2010 to May 2015 qualifying period), they should be eligible for naturalisation assuming other requirements have been met.

OP: you will need to apply for naturalisation. See here: https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-c ... -can-apply

Quick rundown: you need to prove English to B1 level or higher, pass the Life in the UK test, have 2 referees, and £1236 for the application. Unfortunately you will need to do some more waiting; HO target is to approve these within 6 months but with the recent Brexit vote, there has been a huge increase in applications so you could be waiting longer.

If your child was born after either you or your partner had acquired permanent residence, it is automatically a British citizen by birth and can apply for a passport.

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by EEAMum » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:45 pm

ohara wrote:
noajthan wrote:
EEAMum wrote:on the card it says
TYPE OF PERMIT - PERMANENT RESIDENCE

isnt that a permanent residence card? i applied for it using the EEAPR form. please do not scare me now...
Sounds like its all good.

See also:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1371936
Careful, the non-EEA permanent residence card looks a lot different to the EEA document certifying permanent residence as it is a biometric card and not a simple vignette stuck on paper.

OP should have one of these:

Image

EEAMum does not seem to be aware that one needs to be a British citizen in order to be eligible for a British citizen passport. Permanent residence is not British citizenship.

It seems the OP has held PR status for over 12 months (based on May 2010 to May 2015 qualifying period), they should be eligible for naturalisation assuming other requirements have been met.

OP: you will need to apply for naturalisation. See here: https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-c ... -can-apply

Quick rundown: you need to prove English to B1 level or higher, pass the Life in the UK test, have 2 referees, and £1236 for the application. Unfortunately you will need to do some more waiting; HO target is to approve these within 6 months but with the recent Brexit vote, there has been a huge increase in applications so you could be waiting longer.

If your child was born after either you or your partner had acquired permanent residence, it is automatically a British citizen by birth and can apply for a passport.
God bless you. i thought i was going mad for a second.

My PR looks exactly like the one in your reply.

and thanks for the clarification. i DID think i attained automatic citizenship.

i have printed the form-AN and it looks almost like the EEA PR form. i wonder why the HO repeats and asks for the same documents over and over again? its exasperating!

how do i prove the English proficiency on paper. i did not obtain my degree in the UK but i do have a job. and where in heaven am i supposed to get £1236? i have applied to renew my Nigerian passport. British passport can wait.

Meanwhile, please do i just go ahead and fill the normal passport application form i got from the post office for my month old son? or do i first have to register him as a british citizen using the MN1 form?

Many, many thanks in advance.

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:51 pm

EEAMum wrote:God bless you. i thought i was going mad for a second.

My PR looks exactly like the one in your reply.

and thanks for the clarification. i DID think i attained automatic citizenship.

i have printed the form-AN and it looks almost like the EEA PR form. i wonder why the HO repeats and asks for the same documents over and over again? its exasperating!

how do i prove the English proficiency on paper. i did not obtain my degree in the UK but i do have a job. and where in heaven am i supposed to get £1236? i have applied to renew my Nigerian passport. British passport can wait.

Meanwhile, please do i just go ahead and fill the normal passport application form i got from the post office for my month old son? or do i first have to register him as a british citizen using the MN1 form?

Many, many thanks in advance.
UK law is completely separate from EU law; PR is little more than a prerequisite for the privilege of citizenship so not surprising you have a whole bunch of new and stringent requirements to meet.
Have you gone through the AN guide to check them off?

And which part of passport guide for child was not clear (question 6) ?
If MN1 registration was in the frame it would have been mentioned.

With Brexit in the offing, £1236 to secure the holy grail of citizenship (and your child already British) must be one of the bargains of the century - many less fortunate EEA and non-EEA citizens in UK would happily trade places.
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by ohara » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:56 pm

EEAMum wrote:God bless you. i thought i was going mad for a second.

My PR looks exactly like the one in your reply.

and thanks for the clarification. i DID think i attained automatic citizenship.

i have printed the form-AN and it looks almost like the EEA PR form. i wonder why the HO repeats and asks for the same documents over and over again? its exasperating!

how do i prove the English proficiency on paper. i did not obtain my degree in the UK but i do have a job. and where in heaven am i supposed to get £1236? i have applied to renew my Nigerian passport. British passport can wait.

Meanwhile, please do i just go ahead and fill the normal passport application form i got from the post office for my month old son? or do i first have to register him as a british citizen using the MN1 form?

Many, many thanks in advance.
If you have a degree from outside the UK that was taught or researched in English, you can use NARIC (there is a fee). Otherwise, you'll need to do a Home Office approved English test for £150. https://www.trinityselt.co.uk/

If your son was born after you acquired PR, which it seems he was if you acquired PR in May 2015 and your son was born in June 2016, then yes you can just straight fill in a passport application from him. You can do it online, or use the form from the post office.

It's up to you where you get the fee for naturalisation from. It's not exactly a huge sum to pay for the privilege of British citizenship.
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by Casa » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:00 pm

Also bear in mind that application fees generally increase every year.
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by EEAMum » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:16 pm

ohara wrote:
EEAMum wrote:God bless you. i thought i was going mad for a second.

My PR looks exactly like the one in your reply.

and thanks for the clarification. i DID think i attained automatic citizenship.

i have printed the form-AN and it looks almost like the EEA PR form. i wonder why the HO repeats and asks for the same documents over and over again? its exasperating!

how do i prove the English proficiency on paper. i did not obtain my degree in the UK but i do have a job. and where in heaven am i supposed to get £1236? i have applied to renew my Nigerian passport. British passport can wait.

Meanwhile, please do i just go ahead and fill the normal passport application form i got from the post office for my month old son? or do i first have to register him as a british citizen using the MN1 form?

Many, many thanks in advance.
If you have a degree from outside the UK that was taught or researched in English, you can use NARIC (there is a fee). Otherwise, you'll need to do a Home Office approved English test for £150. https://www.trinityselt.co.uk/

If your son was born after you acquired PR, which it seems he was if you acquired PR in May 2015 and your son was born in June 2016, then yes you can just straight fill in a passport application from him. You can do it online, or use the form from the post office.

It's up to you where you get the fee for naturalisation from. It's not exactly a huge sum to pay for the privilege of British citizenship.

thanks again.

really appreciate all the information i've received.

i did get PR on May 24th and had my son on 3rd of June. isn't God good. :D

one last question

my 1st son - 5 years old has a dutch passport and ID card.
does he have to naturalise to get a british passport?

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:18 pm

EEAMum wrote:one last question

my 1st son - 5 years old has a dutch passport and ID card.
does he have to naturalise to get a british passport?

regards
No, he has to register at Home Secretary's discretion - once he has acquired PR.
Did you include him with your recent PR application?
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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by EEAMum » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:22 pm

noajthan wrote:
EEAMum wrote:one last question

my 1st son - 5 years old has a dutch passport and ID card.
does he have to naturalise to get a british passport?

regards
No, he has to register at Home Secretary's discretion - once he has acquired PR.
Did you include him with your recent PR application?

No. Hubby doesnt want to give up his Dutch nationality and wants same for our sons.

Hubby applied same time as I for his PR. infact we used the same form but they neither acknowledged his own application nor issued him the PR. only my PR was issued. we have written to find out why but no response yet.

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Re: How to apply for British passport after getting PR

Post by ohara » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:27 pm

You need to understand that you can not get a British citizen passport if you are not a British citizen.

It seems Dutch nationality law does not permit voluntary acquisition of another citizenship in most circumstances;
From 1 April 2003, loss of Dutch citizenship upon naturalisation in another country is still automatic unless at least one of the following exemptions applies:

the person is born in the country of the other nationality and has a principal residence there at the time of acquisition of that nationality.
if before turning 18, the person has had a principal residence in the country of the other nationality for an uninterrupted period of five years;
if the person is married to a living person who possesses the nationality that the former person wishes to acquire.
However things are looking good for you - if your first son lives in the UK for at least 5 uninterrupted years before he is 18, it seems he won't lose his Dutch citizenship upon becoming British.

But at the end of the day it is your choice - the UK is soon to leave the EU and at the moment, nobody knows what will happen to the EEA free movement rights.

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