TFL fine 11 years ago. Naturalisation

[Londoner00]

Dear All,

I am about to apply for naturalisation. I had a fine issued by magistrates court 11 years ago for travelling on the wrong pass on the underground. i dont remember the exact details as it was a long time ago. I called the court and they said they will need the exact date to find it on their system. From what I remember i did not contest it and paid it at the court. There was no hearing.

My question is what would it be classified as? Does it need to be declared? i have not declared it during my ILR application.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[noajthan]

Run a few SARs to see what comes up.

try here;
https://www.gov.uk/copy-of-police-records

If in doubt declare it.

[Londoner00]

Hi noajthan, Many thanks for your prompt reply. Much appreciated.

I dont think it would be on my record as from what I can recall at the time, the letter from TFL said that if I admit and pay the fine, it wont be recorded. However from what I can remember I did recieve the summons from the court asking me to pay the fine, which was paid straight away

If I do declare it, the fact that I havent declared it in previous applications, would that make a difference? Do I declare it or mention it on page 22? i dont have any details or dates of the fine.

Thanks. Any other respected members, please feel free to share your thoughts / experience.

[noajthan]

You can't rely on a vague assurance from TFL.

Depends whether you were asked about convictions in other applications and how you answered.

Anyway citizenship is not a visa. The legal framework and requirements are different.

The naturalisation guidance is clear:
if in doubt declare it - that's the safety-first option;
(eg brief summary in additional info section).

[Londoner00]

Thanks again for your reply noajthan. I am contemplating mentioning it on Additional information section. What are the chances that they will refuse me on the basis that it wasnt declared in previous applications? Have you come across any cases where the application was refused for not declaring it in previous applications?

I am not even sure if it was a FPN or PCN.

Is there a requirement for ILR applicants to declare spent FPN's or spent PCN's or spent convictions?

Thanks again. Much appreciated.

Others please share your views.

[noajthan]

Thanks again for your reply noajthan. I am contemplating mentioning it on Additional information section. What are the chances that they will refuse me on the basis that it wasnt declared in previous applications? Have you come across any cases where the application was refused for not declaring it in previous applications?

I am not even sure if it was a FPN or PCN.

Is there a requirement for ILR applicants to declare spent FPN's or spent PCN's or spent convictions?

Thanks again. Much appreciated.

Others please share your views.

If you need to declare it now and don't it could be seen as deception.

I dealt with ILR a couple of years ago for my family and don't recall good character-type questions. (They didn't come into play in our case anyway)

[Londoner00]

Thanks noajthan.

Other senior members of the forum, can you please advise? i would appreciate it very much.

[Londoner00]

Can other members of the board please advice? Thank you.

[Londoner00]

noajthan,If i do mention it, Shall i tick No, where it says, Do you have any civil judgements against you or any civil penalty under the UK Immigration Acts? and then mention it on page 22 where it asks for further information? I do not have any details about the fine whether it was a PCN and FPN. Please advise. Thank you.

Victoria and other respected members of the forum, your input will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[noajthan]

noajthan,If i do mention it, Shall i tick No, where it says, Do you have any civil judgements against you or any civil penalty under the UK Immigration Acts? and then mention it on page 22 where it asks for further information? I do not have any details about the fine whether it was a PCN and FPN. Please advise. Thank you.

You need to find out what it was really.
Can you not ask TFL?

Some related cases, may give a steer:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... L#p1347382

http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... L#p1295578

[Londoner00]

Hi noajthan, thanks again for your reply. I have no idea what it was. If i remember correctly I was told i would not have a criminal record if i pay the fine. Court says they need to know the exact date. I have no idea.

I am still not sure what to do with my naturalisation application.

Can anyone else advise please. It is stressing me out.

[noajthan]

Noone can guess what happened to you 11 years ago.
You have been advised to ask TFL what it was.
Have you done that yet?

The conviction, if it was a conviction, has probably 'timed out' by now anyway.