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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by mkhari » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Spell are not important then the actual matter
people who just concentarte on spell are the same who can only see half bottle empty
cud not see half fill

the one i expalined someone belive or not its upto members

similarly on forum noone can give legal advise only suggestion or share personal views
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by CR001 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:21 pm

mkhari wrote:Spell are not important then the actual matter
people who just concentarte on spell are the same who can only see half bottle empty
cud not see half fill

the one i expalined someone belive or not its upto members

similarly on forum noone can give legal advise only suggestion or share personal views
You are of course assuming that no forum members are legally qualified. You are also assuming that people have not failed doing previously by travelling to the country they sought asylum and refuge from.
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by Casa » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:26 pm

CR001 wrote:
mkhari wrote:Spell are not important then the actual matter
people who just concentarte on spell are the same who can only see half bottle empty
cud not see half fill

the one i expalined someone belive or not its upto members

similarly on forum noone can give legal advise only suggestion or share personal views
You are of course assuming that no forum members are legally qualified. You are also assuming that people have not failed doing previously by travelling to the country they sought asylum and refuge from.
And there has also been a misconception that certain members don't have more understanding on the internal workings of the HO than others. :idea:

It would be prudent to take note of Frontier Mole's advice. :|
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by noajthan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:35 pm

mkhari wrote:Spell are not important then the actual matter
people who just concentarte on spell are the same who can only see half bottle empty
cud not see half fill

the one i expalined someone belive or not its upto members

similarly on forum noone can give legal advise only suggestion or share personal views
Fortunately for members here not all members just make this stuff up.

Nice mixed metaphor by the way.
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by Frontier Mole » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:37 pm

You have pushed at the door marked pull for sometime now and the answer has yet to appear.
Perhaps the answer is not available for a number of reasons.
Failed asylum seekers have a tendency not to seek a passport from their home country.
Those with DL usually rely on UK travel documents as it makes life easier on return to the UK. If they are given DL with their home country passport the DL reason is highly unlikely to have been asylum related.

So all in all you are probably fishing in a small pond given your specific circumstances and the number of users of the board.

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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by Obie » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:18 am

A person on Discretionary leave is not precluded from going to their Home Country per se. Discretionary leave is different from Refugee Status or Humanitarian protection. It will all depend on the circumstances of the grant.

If it was due to country''s policy , then it may be reviewed if the person went home. If however it was granted following the refusal of an Asylum claim, but the person made a good claim under Article 8 ECHR or Article 3 on Medical grounds, I will see nothing precluding that person from going to their Home Country.
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by mkhari » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:14 am

agreed with obie

Member just comments but dont read Discretionary leave policy mentioned home office

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... __v7_0.pdf

Asylum Policy Instruction: Discretionary Leave
v 7.0 August 2015
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18
of 26
Note:

6: Curtailing Discretionary Leave
This section sets out the circumstances where consideration must be given to ending (or curtailing) DL. 6.1
Voluntary actions leading to curtailment It will not usually be appropriate to curtail a person’s leave simply because they have returned to their own country or have travelled on their own national passport (those
granted DL will normally be expected to keep their own national passport valid). This is because we will not
have accepted that the person has a well-founded fear of return to their country and will have been granted DL for reasons other than protection. However, where it comes to light that a person has obtained a national passport following a grant of DL under paragraph 353B, the case must be reviewed.
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by Casa » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:50 am

" However, where it comes to light that a person has obtained a national passport following a grant of DL under paragraph 353B, the case must be reviewed".
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by mkhari » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:19 pm

REVIEWED and Curtailed lot of differnces

As i expalined on airport they do further check and issue IS81

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _mark2.pdf

and that further checks are REVIEWED

in which they mentioned Refuse or allow entry

Obtain national passport doesnot mean automatic refusal
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Re: What is Illegal Entry?

Post by noajthan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:24 pm

mkhari wrote:Obtain national passport doesnot mean automatic refusal
And noone above has suggested automatic refusal as an answer to your hypothetical and changing questions - merely risk and review, particularly in case of some imaginary failed asylum seeker.
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