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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by Casa » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:25 am

You don't need to register Aubrey. Apply directly for a British passport.

4.2.3 Children born on or after 21 May 2002
4.2.3.1 Under s.2(1)(a), a person born outside the United
Kingdom and the qualifying territories on or after
21 May 2002 is a British citizen at birth if, at the
time of the birth, either parent is a British
citizen "otherwise than by descent".


https://www.gov.uk/overseas-passports

Or apply for a right of abode - certificate of entitlement, enabling her to enter the UK and then apply for a British passport once she's here.

https://www.gov.uk/right-of-abode/apply ... ntitlement
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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by Obie » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:34 am

Thanks Casa. I concur with your views. Aubrey is indeed British. All that needs to be done is apply for British citizenship or if that is taking too long, a certificate of entitlement to a right of Abode on her USA passport.

It is worth noting that any child born to Aubrey overseas will not be British Citizen, subject of course to any nationality changes that may occur in future.
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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by Casa » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:36 am

Obie wrote:Thanks Casa. I concur with your views. Aubrey is indeed British. All that needs to be done is apply for British citizenship or if that is taking too long, a certificate of entitlement to a right of Abode on her USA passport.

It is worth noting that any child born to Aubrey overseas will not be British Citizen, subject of course to any nationality changes that may occur in future.
Obie, I've added an addition to my post. Please could you check my advice on the option of applying for a COE?
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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by Obie » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:41 am

Your views are unimpeachable Casa. I dear not challenge them. They are more elaborative than mine, also kindly assisted OP with relevant links which I was too lazy to provide. Lol.
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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by abrock » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:41 am

It seems the passport would be the best option for now, as we should get it in approximately 6 weeks, allowing us to apply for the spouse visa in March.

One thing I don't understand is that the certificate of entitlement goes inside the passport and has to be renewed every time the passport expires. What is the point of the extra cost if a passport is sufficient?

Also, is she a dual citizen by default? Should we apply for an American passport too, or will her birth certificate suffice? I know for domestic travel in the US, her birth certificate is enough.

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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by CR001 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:51 am

The child requires a passport to travel to the UK. A birth certificate is not a travel document.
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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by Casa » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:57 am

abrock wrote:It seems the passport would be the best option for now, as we should get it in approximately 6 weeks, allowing us to apply for the spouse visa in March.

One thing I don't understand is that the certificate of entitlement goes inside the passport and has to be renewed every time the passport expires. What is the point of the extra cost if a passport is sufficient? I believe that's only for a COE application submitted from within the UK. This ws a suggestion purely to enable Aubrey to enter the UK and then apply for a passport once here

Also, is she a dual citizen by default? Should we apply for an American passport too, or will her birth certificate suffice? I know for domestic travel in the US, her birth certificate is enough. Birth certificate will be sufficient, but yes she is a dual citizen by default.
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Post by abrock » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:27 pm

CR001 wrote:The child requires a passport to travel to the UK. A birth certificate is not a travel document.
Domestically in the US it's okay for a baby I believe, but not internationally, so we'll get a passport.
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abrock wrote:It seems the passport would be the best option for now, as we should get it in approximately 6 weeks, allowing us to apply for the spouse visa in March.

One thing I don't understand is that the certificate of entitlement goes inside the passport and has to be renewed every time the passport expires. What is the point of the extra cost if a passport is sufficient? I believe that's only for a COE application submitted from within the UK. This ws a suggestion purely to enable Aubrey to enter the UK and then apply for a passport once here

Also, is she a dual citizen by default? Should we apply for an American passport too, or will her birth certificate suffice? I know for domestic travel in the US, her birth certificate is enough. Birth certificate will be sufficient, but yes she is a dual citizen by default.
I get it now (but correct me if I'm wrong), the COE would go inside a US passport, thus enabling Audrey to get a UK passport while she was here. So getting the UK passport instead seems the best thing to do.

I wonder if having a UK passport would mean she would need to complete ESTA to travel to the US later, or whether her being a US citizen would be enough, but that's not that important for now anyway.

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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by Casa » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:34 pm

I believe that a COE would enable Aubrey to travel without a passport, but wait for confirmation from others.
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Post by vinny » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:56 pm

Correct.

Child may apply for either a British passport or CoE-RoA In foreign passport (but not both at the same time).
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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by abrock » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:47 pm

Hey guys,

About 1 month until I hit 6 months meeting the £18,600 requirement, so getting close now. Just wanted to ask about the fees involved.

I believe it is £1,195 for the spouse visa application, and then there are NHS surcharges to pay, but I don't know how much they are, or when we would have to pay. I'm assuming the NHS surcharges would be something we would have to sort AFTER a successful application for the spouse visa, but I am not sure, I think it is £550 for 33 months, but just wanted to ask for clarity.

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Re: Can my pregnant US wife having her child in the UK?

Post by CR001 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:54 pm

abrock wrote:Hey guys,

About 1 month until I hit 6 months meeting the £18,600 requirement, so getting close now. Just wanted to ask about the fees involved.

I believe it is £1,195 for the spouse visa application, and then there are NHS surcharges to pay, but I don't know how much they are, or when we would have to pay. I'm assuming the NHS surcharges would be something we would have to sort AFTER a successful application for the spouse visa, but I am not sure, I think it is £550 for 33 months, but just wanted to ask for clarity.
You pay IHS before you submit the application not after approval. The initial IHS charge is £600.
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Post by Casa » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:58 pm

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Post by abrock » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:03 pm

Sorry for wasting your time on information I could have found easily myself.

Thank you both for your answers!

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Post by CR001 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:03 pm

abrock wrote:Sorry for wasting your time on information I could have found easily myself.

Thank you both for your answers!
Not wasting our time. We are here to help, however simple the question is, so feel free to ask anything you need to :wink:
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Post by Casa » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:07 pm

CR001 wrote:
abrock wrote:Sorry for wasting your time on information I could have found easily myself.

Thank you both for your answers!
Not wasting our time. We are here to help, however simple the question is, so feel free to ask anything you need to :wink:
Also excused due a lack of sleep with baby Aubrey? :wink:
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Post by abrock » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:10 pm

Thank you both!

And yes, Casa, you're right, but I can't be mad with this cutie!

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Post by CR001 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:12 pm

So beautiful :D
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Post by Casa » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:13 pm

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Post by ALKB » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:55 pm

abrock wrote:Should we apply for an American passport too, or will her birth certificate suffice? I know for domestic travel in the US, her birth certificate is enough.
As far as I know - somebody please confirm or correct me - by US law, US citizens have to use their US passport to leave and enter the USA.

So, applying for her US passport before travelling to the UK may well be rather vital.
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Post by CR001 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:59 pm

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abrock wrote:Should we apply for an American passport too, or will her birth certificate suffice? I know for domestic travel in the US, her birth certificate is enough.
As far as I know - somebody please confirm or correct me - by US law, US citizens have to use their US passport to leave and enter the USA.

So, applying for her US passport before travelling to the UK may well be rather vital.
This was already answered as a BCert is not a travel document and child will require a US passport.
vinny wrote:Correct.

Child may apply for either a British passport or CoE-RoA In foreign passport (but not both at the same time).
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abrock wrote:Should we apply for an American passport too, or will her birth certificate suffice? I know for domestic travel in the US, her birth certificate is enough.
As far as I know - somebody please confirm or correct me - by US law, US citizens have to use their US passport to leave and enter the USA.

So, applying for her US passport before travelling to the UK may well be rather vital.
This was already answered as a BCert is not a travel document and child will require a US passport.
vinny wrote:Correct.

Child may apply for either a British passport or CoE-RoA In foreign passport (but not both at the same time).
I didn't mean to suggest that she could travel on a birth certificate.

I meant that it might not be lawful to travel on a British passport in and out of the US when as a dual US/UK national. As far as I know, US citizens have to use a US passport to enter and leave the USA and cannot use a passport of any other nationality they may hold.
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Post by abrock » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:13 pm

Okay, this is news to me then. We need to apply for a UK and a US passport for Audrey? I have applied for a UK passport and am currently preparing the paperwork. I didn't realize she would need a US passport to leave the States to come to the UK in the first place.

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abrock wrote:Okay, this is news to me then. We need to apply for a UK and a US passport for Audrey? I have applied for a UK passport and am currently preparing the paperwork. I didn't realize she would need a US passport to leave the States to come to the UK in the first place.

I had hoped that somebody else could also comment on this but googling I found this:

"Most U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States."

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https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... ality.html
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Post by CR001 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:40 pm

abrock wrote:Okay, this is news to me then. We need to apply for a UK and a US passport for Audrey? I have applied for a UK passport and am currently preparing the paperwork. I didn't realize she would need a US passport to leave the States to come to the UK in the first place.
It would probably have been easier to do what vinny suggested a few posts ago and do US pp and CoE/RoA.
vinny wrote:Correct.

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