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Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteria

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Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteria

Post by sindhoo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:17 pm

Hi everyone and moderator .
I applied my Tier 1 Ent visa 200k before 1 April 2014 by post and got stamped end of may 2014 .
I have two questions if someone can answer please.

I run IT company and few clients and now they are increasing .
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1) Job Creation :
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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 1_2016.pdf

158. If you have established new businesses, those businesses must have, between them, created the equivalent of 2 extra full-time paid jobs for at least 2 people who are settled in the UK and those jobs must have existed for at least 12 months each.

160. We consider a 30-hour working week to be full-time.

164. A single job need not consist of 12 consecutive months (for example it could exist for 6 months in one year and 6 months the following year) providing it is the same job (different jobs that have existed for less than 12 months cannot be combined together to make up a 12 month period), and the jobs need not exist at the date of application, provided they have existed for 12 months.

166. Only employees of your business will qualify. Self-employed contractors who are working for your business will not qualify for the award of points.

Pre 6 April 2014 transitional arrangement (This is for me as I applied before 6 April 2014 by post)
169. If you successfully applied to enter the route before 6 April 2014, and you are making an extension application or a 5 year settlement application, you may continue to employ:
 one worker for 24 months
 one worker for 6 months and one for 18 months
 4 workers for 6 months each
and score points for job creation.

Post 6 April 2014
167. If you successfully applied for entry clearance or switched into the route from 6 April 2014, the employment must:
 be for at least 2 separate jobs;
 exist for at least a full 12 months each.

Examples

The following can be considered as acceptable employment:
 the hours of workers in 2 part-time jobs can be combined to add up to 30 hours a week or more and form the equivalent of one full-time job, as long as the 2 part-time jobs exist for 12 months. By way of an example, it could be that one employee worked 20 hours in one part-time job; Another employee worked 10 hours in another part-time job; If they have both been employed for at least 12 months, they can be combined to make one full-time job. If you are combining jobs in this way, you must make it clear in your application which employees/jobs are being used;
 within the same job, another worker can replace a worker who is employed for part of a year and then leaves the job, so that the employment as a whole adds up to 12 months. However, if there is a gap between one worker leaving a post and another worker starting employment, the period when the post is not filled will not be counted - only periods during which a worker is employed in a post will be considered. If you are combining workers within the same job, you must make it clear in your application which employees are being used.



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Q1)
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I had an employee for 5 months she want on maternity leave for one year now she came back and it will be 5 more months all together it will be 10 months before extension.
My question is now we started selling IT hardware equipment business is growing and need more people if I get 10 people for two months then in theory I will have 10x2 =20 months + 10 months for the existing employee(justification is business have grown since and definitely need more employees to run business smooth ) . Will I qualify 24 months Full time jobs . Bear in mind that I applied before 1 April 2014 but got stamped end of may 2014.

can I hire more than 10 people to satisfy this before two months of my extension ( I am not planning to say them goodbye I want to recruit more in the future.)





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2. Investment of funds
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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 1_2016.pdf

132. You must show that either the full amount of £200,000 or of £50,000 if appropriate, in cash has been invested in business in the UK.

137. The amount of money invested should not:
 Include the value of any residential accommodation or property development or property management; or
 be in the form of a director’s loan, unless it is unsecured and is subordinated in favour of the third-party creditors.

Evidence to show how much has been invested
138. You must provide all the appropriate specified documents needed to establish the amount you have already invested from the following list.
i. Audited accounts
Registered companies that are required to produce audited accounts must do so. For information on who needs to produce these accounts please refer to the life of a company page of GOV.UK.
ii. Unaudited accounts and an accountant’s certificate of confirmation
Businesses that are not required to produce audited accounts must provide:

 unaudited accounts, sometimes called management accounts; and
 an accounts compilation report from a suitably regulated accountant who is not you (the applicant).
The accounts compilation report is a service whereby practitioners compile accounts for the company directors who are responsible for the preparation of the financial statements and for being satisfied they give a true and fair view. The accounts compilation report explains how practitioners have helped the directors prepare the accounts.
iii. Director’s loan
If you have made the investment in the form of a director’s loan, it must be shown in both the relevant set of financial accounts provided and through readily identifiable transactions in the applicant’s business bank statement(s). The statement(s) must clearly show the transfer of this money from you to your business. You must also provide a legal agreement, between you (in the name that appears on your application for leave) and the company.
This agreement must show:
 the terms of the loan;
 any interest that is payable;
 the period of the loan; and
 that the loan is unsecured and subordinated in favour of third-party creditors.
If it is not clear from the information provided that the loan is unsecured and subordinated in favour of third-party creditors, we will not accept the loan for the award of points.


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Second question if I put now from my personal account to business account 200k . Since I have two months left if I might be able to spend 50k or more and rest money stays inside business account (I have no intention to take that ) and will spend with time . Will that be considered investment and will I be able to get points , considering all the money will be used for business in future .



I appreciate moderators and other guys response . Have a nice day .

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by zimba » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:54 pm

Q1. Answer: In theory yes you simply need 24 months, however such last minute hires will be regarded as a massive red flag to HO and you probably will be questioned on this. It looks like that you just hired 10 people last minute to satisfy the visa requirements.

Q2. Answer: There is no requirement to spend all the money. As long as you send all the evidence required, bank statements showing the transfer, company accounts and DL agreement.
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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:55 pm

zimba88 wrote:Q1. Answer: In theory yes you simply need 24 months, however such last minute hires will be regarded as a massive red flag to HO and you probably will be questioned on this. It looks like that you just hired 10 people last minute to satisfy the visa requirements.

Q2. Answer: There is no requirement to spend all the money. As long as you send all the evidence required, bank statements showing the transfer, company accounts and DL agreement.


Thanks zimba88 , really appreciate your response .But I might be overlooking I take above statement as minimum 6 months for each employee. I am not here to break any rule but employing people depends on business needs as well . Now we have need business is growing and I am going to hire( ready to explain this to HO) . But I think you don't get right of appeal now only judicial review.

If someone to be rejected on Extension or Judicial review can someone apply on different category within 14 days of notice.
Thanks

169. If you successfully applied to enter the route before 6 April 2014, and you are making an extension application or a 5 year settlement application, you may continue to employ:
 one worker for 24 months
 one worker for 6 months and one for 18 months
 4 workers for 6 months each

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by zimba » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:42 pm

There is no such rule regarding min 6 months. It is EQUIVALENT of 24 months for employment as per rules and transitional arrangements.
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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by seasky » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:47 pm

Exactly as Zimba said. It fulfils the transitional criteria and likely will be thrown out on genuineness.

Only thing I can think about is to keep all them employed till your interview (aprox 3-6 months is a reasonable guess) to prove you are genuine (and you are as you claim, so not a problem)

Sorry for not necessarily telling you what you want to hear, but you may be about to waste a lot of money.

PS Do you have desks for all 10 people? PCs? Can you find all Ten people (min wagers seem to move around a lot...)

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:04 pm

seasky wrote:Exactly as Zimba said. It fulfils the transitional criteria and likely will be thrown out on genuineness.

Only thing I can think about is to keep all them employed till your interview (aprox 3-6 months is a reasonable guess) to prove you are genuine (and you are as you claim, so not a problem)

Sorry for not necessarily telling you what you want to hear, but you may be about to waste a lot of money.

PS Do you have desks for all 10 people? PCs? Can you find all Ten people (min wagers seem to move around a lot...)
Thanks seasky for quick reply

Only thing I can think about is to keep all them employed till your interview (aprox 3-6 months is a reasonable guess) to prove you are genuine (and you are as you claim, so not a problem)

I am not going to leave them soon for next 5-6 years at least unless they leave me .


Sorry for not necessarily telling you what you want to hear, but you may be about to waste a lot of money.

I don't think it will be waste of money it is business requirement anyways .

PS Do you have desks for all 10 people? PCs? Can you find all Ten people (min wagers seem to move around a lot...)

Yes I have more than 10 desks and looking for another site .

The only worry I have is not spending all 200k before my extension in next two months : ( .

Once again really appreciate your response .

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:17 pm

sindhoo wrote:
seasky wrote:Exactly as Zimba said. It fulfils the transitional criteria and likely will be thrown out on genuineness.

Only thing I can think about is to keep all them employed till your interview (aprox 3-6 months is a reasonable guess) to prove you are genuine (and you are as you claim, so not a problem)

Sorry for not necessarily telling you what you want to hear, but you may be about to waste a lot of money.

PS Do you have desks for all 10 people? PCs? Can you find all Ten people (min wagers seem to move around a lot...)
Thanks seasky for quick reply
seasky wrote:Only thing I can think about is to keep all them employed till your interview (aprox 3-6 months is a reasonable guess) to prove you are genuine (and you are as you claim, so not a problem)"
I am not going to leave them soon for next 5-6 years at least unless they leave me .

seasky wrote:Sorry for not necessarily telling you what you want to hear, but you may be about to waste a lot of money."
I don't think it will be waste of money it is business requirement anyways .
seasky wrote:PS Do you have desks for all 10 people? PCs? Can you find all Ten people (min wagers seem to move around a lot...)"
Yes I have more than 10 desks and looking for another site .

The only worry I have is not spending all 200k before my extension in next two months : ( .

Once again really appreciate your response

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by seasky » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:22 pm

Well good luck. Do not worry AT ALL about not spending the £200K it is not a criteria and has never come up in these forums (that I have seen) as an issue.

Just take that extra caution to expalain things in covering letter about why you are genuine.

I had same issue to some extent. My technology is quite difficult and it took me longer than expected to get things going. So hired late (but all my employees, top engineers are still with me except one)

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:28 pm

Thanks seasky and zimba88 for all your input. If someone else has any opinion please input here , I want to be prepared for anything .

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:59 am

Sorry guys I sent my application recorded delivery on 4th April 2014 by post got acknowledgement letter dated as 10 April 2014. Visa was stamped end of May 2014 . For job creation do I fall under post 6 April 2014 or Pre 6 April 2014 transiniatal arrangements. Appreciate quick response . Thanks

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Post by zimba » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:13 am

sindhoo wrote:Sorry guys I sent my application recorded delivery on 4th April 2014 by post got acknowledgement letter dated as 10 April 2014. Visa was stamped end of May 2014 . For job creation do I fall under post 6 April 2014 or Pre 6 April 2014 transiniatal arrangements. Appreciate quick response . Thanks
The application date is generally the date of posting. If that is not evident from the envelope, the application date will be the date of receipt of envelope by HO
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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:14 am

Sorry Just checked it the exact postage date was 5 April 2014(Saturday) with next day guaranteed delivery which would have been 7 April 2014 Monday.I still have the receipt of next day delivery postage with time around 11:40 am in the morning .

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Re: Tier 1 Ent Extension - Job Creation & Investment criteri

Post by sindhoo » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:42 am

The application date is generally the date of posting. If that is not evident from the envelope, the application date will be the date of receipt of envelope by HO[/quote]

You are right although they received application pack after after 6 April 2014 but the fee mentioned on the form was pre 6 April 2014 and it was deducted and accepted. Thanks

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