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Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

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Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

Post by answerseeker » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:58 pm

Hi,
My wife's visa has been refused under tier 2 dependent visa 319C subsisting marriage. They said they want more proof of how are relationship developed into marriage and our not satisfied that we will stay together once she is in U.K. We got married on April 2016 in India in court after which I came back to U.K and then returned to India in September to get married traditionally in Oct 2016 and then came back to U.K.The documents we had provided for marriage included :
Marriage certificate
Skype call logs for last 3 months.
Whatsapp messages extracts for 3 months as the whole log was around 600 pages.
Photos of our wedding ceremony, and some photos with our families. 10 photos.
Wedding invites of both sides
Wedding receipts

Now I am unsure of what other documents I should send apart from the ones I had used last time for re-applying. we have been in a long distance relationship since 2014 and know each other since more than 10 years. We also have a few photos dating 2007. and we have visited each other a couple of times. My wife had a tourist visa earlier through which she visited me, and I visited India every 6 months during that period.

Could someone please let me know which other documents should I send, should we send all our call logs since 2014? and how many photos can we send? we had sent around 10 photos. Also how much documentation is considered too much documentation. Please help.

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Re: Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

Post by CR001 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:10 pm

3 months evidence of contact etc is not sufficient.

Why did you not include evidence of visits and stuff from before you got married?
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Re: Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

Post by answerseeker » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:12 pm

Yes, you are right. We should have shown all the documents. We thought our wedding photographs, invites, receipts should be sufficient. We had two wedding receptions. But alas, this was not enough proof :(
Currently we have made this list.
Please let us know if this is okay

1.Marriage certificate
2. Skype call logs from October 2014 (We have Skype screen shots since 2016, and for the ones before that we have used a software called SkypeLogView)
3. Whatsapp chats since Dec 2016. Around 40k messages as there is a limit of 40k messages through whatsapp backup email. Is there a way to retrieve more
4. Whatsapp call logs since 2016
5. Intermittent FB chats since 2014
6. Photographs of our visits to England and India and our marriage cermonies
7. Photographs shared on Instagram and public platforms with the posting dates since 2014
8. Parents declaration of approval of marriage and relationship
9. Wedding Invites
10. Wedding receipts
11. A statement from me containing information about how we met and how long we know each other.
12. Hotel reservations at hotels we stayed in england and India
13. Flight tickets
14. Entry-Exit stamps on passport

Is there anything else that we can add? Please let us know.
Apart from these we are submitting the regular documents like :
1. Bank statement
2. Payslip
3. My Cos certificate
4. Employee verification letter
5. Wife's TB report
6. Tenancy Agreement
7. Emails showing money transfers to each other over the years
8. Letter from Lettings agent signed by Landlord approving that she can join in my tenancy
9. My BRP card scan
10. my passport scan
12. Wife's passport
13. Previous refusal copy
14. My credit card statement which my wife is using in India.

Should we re-apply from the same account that we made previously? or should we make a new account?

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Re: Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

Post by answerseeker » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:14 pm

My wife during her tourist visa application did not mention that she has someone in the uk that she will be visiting. she applied just on the basis of going as a tourist.

now when i file for the application and i submit proof of our stay and visit in the uk and our time spent together. would the ECO think that there was deception in the previous application as she didn't mention her boyfriend to be in the uk?

kindly advice !!

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Re: Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

Post by CR001 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:25 pm

Yes they could think that.
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Re: Tier 2 dependent refused under 319 C Subsisting marriage

Post by Casa » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:31 pm

Look at it this way; either the relationship didn't exist when your wife applied for her visitor visa, or your claim that the relationship was already established isn't true.

One or the other will be false or withheld information. :idea:
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