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****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:25 pm

Hi,
I came in uk with family in 2011 June. Wife and Two sons age 12 4m and 13 9m.
I applied asylum and was refused on 2012 sep. Again applied asylum and went Fsu in 2017 Jan and they again refuse. We go for judicial review and tribunal again refuse over papers. Now waiting for court hearing date..
Can you please tell me that if they again refuse in oral hearing then
wot we do to stay for a period of seven years?
My brother is Swiss national but not lives in uk can he help us for immigration.
I'm a patient of slipped disc injury still on treatment.
If they give status on 7 yrs child rule when we get indefinite?
Tnx

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Wanderer » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:03 pm

FSU?
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by bruteforce » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:19 pm

Guess its "further submissions unit" based in Liverpool.

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:13 am

bruteforce wrote:Guess its "further submissions unit" based in Liverpool.
Hi,
Yes you are right.. further submission unit in Liverpool.

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Casa » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:18 am

Under what basis have you claimed Asylum? Have you posted the ages your children are now or when they entered the UK?
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:23 pm

Casa wrote:Under what basis have you claimed Asylum? Have you posted the ages your children are now or when they entered the UK?
Life in danger from some groups..I told them my sons ages,studies and all about our family ...

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Casa » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:25 pm

Munna2pk wrote:
Casa wrote:Under what basis have you claimed Asylum? Have you posted the ages your children are now or when they entered the UK?
Life in danger from some groups..I told them my sons ages,studies and all about our family ...
1. How old were your children when they entered the UK?

2. What do you mean by your brother can help with immigration?

3. How did you enter the UK?
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by CR001 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:31 pm

Casa wrote:2. What do you mean by your brother can help with immigration?
Think OP means his brother is Swiss but not living in the UK and asking if there is a way the Swiss brother can help them in any way.
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:09 pm

Casa wrote:
Munna2pk wrote:
Casa wrote:Under what basis have you claimed Asylum? Have you posted the ages your children are now or when they entered the UK?
Life in danger from some groups..I told them my sons ages,studies and all about our family ...
1. How old were your children when they entered the UK?

2. What do you mean by your brother can help with immigration?

3. How did you enter the UK?
Hi,

7 yrs and 6 months, 6 yrs 3 months

Can my btother help me to get EEA extended family member?

That was visit visa...and then I did asylum .

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:15 pm

Munna2pk wrote:
Casa wrote:
Munna2pk wrote:
Casa wrote:Under what basis have you claimed Asylum? Have you posted the ages your children are now or when they entered the UK?
Life in danger from some groups..I told them my sons ages,studies and all about our family ...
1. How old were your children when they entered the UK?

2. What do you mean by your brother can help with immigration?

3. How did you enter the UK?
Hi,

7 yrs and 6 months, 6 yrs 3 months

Can my btother help me to get EEA extended family member?

That was visit visa...and then I did asylum .
If they give me DLR on child 7 years living basis , when I will apply for indefinite?
I think after 10 years? Is there any way to get ILR before 10 years?
Secondly if they refuse my case after hearing in court what options I have?
I will be thankful for your guidance.
Kind regards

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Casa » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:27 pm

If DLR is granted it will be a 10 year route to settlement (ILR) 2.5 years x 4 from the date of issue for all the family members. There is no quicker route.

I don't see how you and your family can qualify for an EEA EFM permit when your brother is living outside of the UK and it doesn't appear that you are in any way dependant on him. :idea:
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:04 am

Casa wrote:If DLR is granted it will be a 10 year route to settlement (ILR) 2.5 years x 4 from the date of issue for all the family members. There is no quicker route.

I don't see how you and your family can qualify for an EEA EFM permit when your brother is living outside of the UK and it doesn't appear that you are in any way dependant on him. :idea:
Hi,
Thanks for you help. Can you please tell me that Can I apply for entrepreneur 50,000 visa..
I'm waiting for my oral hearing in court.
Kind regards..

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Casa » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:29 am

Munna2pk wrote:
Casa wrote:If DLR is granted it will be a 10 year route to settlement (ILR) 2.5 years x 4 from the date of issue for all the family members. There is no quicker route.

I don't see how you and your family can qualify for an EEA EFM permit when your brother is living outside of the UK and it doesn't appear that you are in any way dependant on him. :idea:
Hi,
Thanks for you help. Can you please tell me that Can I apply for entrepreneur 50,000 visa..
I'm waiting for my oral hearing in court.
Kind regards..
Not from within the UK as you don't currently hold a valid visa in the permitted categories. See the link below:

https://www.gov.uk/tier-1-entrepreneur/ ... -this-visa
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Wanderer » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:15 pm

My spidey-senses are tingling on this one.
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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by Munna2pk » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:57 pm

Munna2pk wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:04 am
Casa wrote:If DLR is granted it will be a 10 year route to settlement (ILR) 2.5 years x 4 from the date of issue for all the family members. There is no quicker route.

I don't see how you and your family can qualify for an EEA EFM permit when your brother is living outside of the UK and it doesn't appear that you are in any way dependant on him. :idea:
Hi,
Thanks for you help. Can you please tell me that Can I apply for entrepreneur 50,000 visa..
I'm waiting for my oral hearing in court.
Kind regards..
............................
Hi Casa,
Thanks for giving me advice.
Can you please tell me that if my Swiss national brother will come to start living in uk. And start business.
Can I apply for EEA EFM?
After how much time after my brother come here and what things I need to prove.
Can you please tell me what is procedure and time and which things we need to get EEA EFM for me.
I will be thankful to you.
Rgards

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Re: ****IMPORTANT***Asylum claim refused from FSU

Post by CR001 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:23 pm

Munna2pk wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:57 pm
Hi Casa,
Thanks for giving me advice.
Can you please tell me that if my Swiss national brother will come to start living in uk. And start business.
Can I apply for EEA EFM?
After how much time after my brother come here and what things I need to prove.
Can you please tell me what is procedure and time and which things we need to get EEA EFM for me.
I will be thankful to you.
Rgards
To qualify for an EEA EFM, you and each family member have to provide evidence of dependency and being a member of the EU citizens household BEFORE both of you are coming to or have come to the UK and evidence of dependency while IN the UK.

Your brother also has to be a qualified person exercising treaty rights and have the evidence to prove this.

If you do this, you will have no automatic rights unless a residence card is issued.
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Judicial review refusal

Post by Munna2pk » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:08 pm

Hi,
I came in uk with family in 2011 June. Wife and Two sons age 12 4m and 13 9m.
I applied asylum and was refused on 2012 sep. Again applied asylum and went Fsu in 2017 Jan and they again refuse. We go for judicial review and tribunal again refuse over papers. Court also refuse my case . My children are only 8 months far from 7 yrs rule.
Can you please advice me . Will HO will move me back to my country..?
Or I have to go again for further submissions unit for fresh claim?
Thanks

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Re: Judicial review refusal

Post by munirabid » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:12 pm

go again for further submission and first make appointment it will take 2 to 3 months to get appointment and then 2 to 3 months take for decision and if they refuse again then go for judicial review , hope so you will get status.

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Re: Judicial review refusal

Post by secret.simon » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:47 am

Munna2pk wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:08 pm
My children are only 8 months far from 7 yrs rule.
Be aware that the 7 years rule does not mean that just because your children have lived in the UK for 7 years, that they will definitely get the right to reside in the UK. It must also be proven that it is not reasonable for the child to leave the UK.
Immigration Rule 276ADE wrote:The requirements to be met by an applicant for leave to remain on the grounds of private life in the UK are that at the date of application, the applicant:
...
(iv) is under the age of 18 years and has lived continuously in the UK for at least 7 years (discounting any period of imprisonment) and it would not be reasonable to expect the applicant to leave the UK; or...
The Home Office must make an assessment (which itself is subject to judicial review) whether it is proportionate for the children to remain in the UK. The Court of Appeal have opined in a recent case that the child's interests must also be seen in the wider context of the public interest, also taking into account the parents' immigration history.
Paragraph 28 of MA (Pakistan) and Ors vs Upper Tribunal wrote:The decision maker must ask whether, paying proper regard to the best interests of the child and all other relevant considerations bearing upon the public interest, including the conduct and immigration history of the applicant parent or parents, it is not reasonable to expect the child to leave. The fact that the child has been resident for seven years will be a factor which must be given significant weight in the balancing exercise, but it does not otherwise modify or distort the usual article 8 proportionality assessment. That test requires that where the parents have no right to be in the UK that is the basis on which the article 8 proportionality assessment must be made.
Also see Paragraph 48 of the judgment to see what factors are taken into account for the proportionality test taking into account the best interests of the child.

In the Zoumbas case in 2013, the UK Supreme Court took into account the parents' "unedifying immigration history" in a case where the children were born in the UK and had never been to the country of origin of their parents. Like you, the parents had arrived in the UK and had applied for political asylum, but failed repeatedly. The UK Supreme Court dismissed the appeal against the Home Office's refusal to give leave to remain.

From your description of your immigration history, the children were neither born in the UK nor are they British citizens. Furthermore, from your description, the majority of your (and the children's) residence history in the UK has not been legally sanctioned. There is therefore a very high possibility that your children's FLR(FP) application after 7 years residence will also be turned down.

The best course of action that I would suggest is to either look at the possibility of returning to your country of origin or to move to a country more receptive to refugees, such as Germany or Canada.
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Re: Judicial review refusal

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Topics merged.
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Re: Judicial review refusal

Post by Munna2pk » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:18 am

CR001 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:53 pm
Topics merged.
Thanks for your advice...
Can you please tell me more on how to move Germany or canada directly from uk...
Regards

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Re: Judicial review refusal

Post by Munna2pk » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:23 am

secret.simon wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:47 am
Munna2pk wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:08 pm
My children are only 8 months far from 7 yrs rule.
Be aware that the 7 years rule does not mean that just because your children have lived in the UK for 7 years, that they will definitely get the right to reside in the UK. It must also be proven that it is not reasonable for the child to leave the UK.
Immigration Rule 276ADE wrote:The requirements to be met by an applicant for leave to remain on the grounds of private life in the UK are that at the date of application, the applicant:
...
(iv) is under the age of 18 years and has lived continuously in the UK for at least 7 years (discounting any period of imprisonment) and it would not be reasonable to expect the applicant to leave the UK; or...
The Home Office must make an assessment (which itself is subject to judicial review) whether it is proportionate for the children to remain in the UK. The Court of Appeal have opined in a recent case that the child's interests must also be seen in the wider context of the public interest, also taking into account the parents' immigration history.
Paragraph 28 of MA (Pakistan) and Ors vs Upper Tribunal wrote:The decision maker must ask whether, paying proper regard to the best interests of the child and all other relevant considerations bearing upon the public interest, including the conduct and immigration history of the applicant parent or parents, it is not reasonable to expect the child to leave. The fact that the child has been resident for seven years will be a factor which must be given significant weight in the balancing exercise, but it does not otherwise modify or distort the usual article 8 proportionality assessment. That test requires that where the parents have no right to be in the UK that is the basis on which the article 8 proportionality assessment must be made.
Also see Paragraph 48 of the judgment to see what factors are taken into account for the proportionality test taking into account the best interests of the child.

In the Zoumbas case in 2013, the UK Supreme Court took into account the parents' "unedifying immigration history" in a case where the children were born in the UK and had never been to the country of origin of their parents. Like you, the parents had arrived in the UK and had applied for political asylum, but failed repeatedly. The UK Supreme Court dismissed the appeal against the Home Office's refusal to give leave to remain.

From your description of your immigration history, the children were neither born in the UK nor are they British citizens. Furthermore, from your description, the majority of your (and the children's) residence history in the UK has not been legally sanctioned. There is therefore a very high possibility that your children's FLR(FP) application after 7 years residence will also be turned down.

The best course of action that I would suggest is to either look at the possibility of returning to your country of origin or to move to a country more receptive to refugees, such as Germany or Canada.
CR001 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:53 pm
Topics merged.
Thanks for your advice...
Can you please tell me more on how to move Germany or canada directly from uk...
Regards

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Re: Judicial review refusal

Post by CR001 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:20 am

Munna2pk wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:18 am
CR001 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:53 pm
Topics merged.
Thanks for your advice...
Can you please tell me more on how to move Germany or canada directly from uk...
Regards
Can you please post your Canada questions in the 'Canada Immigration' sub forum further down on the main forum page and your Germany questions in the 'Europe Immigration' sub forum a little bit further down the main page.
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Non UK born child

Post by Munna2pk » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:54 am

Hi,
It is a very helpful platform I really appreciate your efforts. Can you please help me..

Family came in UK in 2011 July on visit visa. Couple with two sons aged 7 year and 7 month
And 6 year and 2 months
Applied asylum in December 2011 which refused after appeals in 2012 sep. No communication with home office between 2012 sep to 2016 Dec.
Again apply asylum with fresh evidence's in 2016 Dec. But they again refuse. After that applied Judicial review. Again refused in 2017 Nov. Now still going for signing after two weeks.
Now only 6 month remain to be complete my sons
7 years Continue residence in UK.

1-Can we win the case on 7 year child rule? Both
Parents will also get DLR?

2-Will we get visa without NRPF(no recourse to public funds)?

3-Can my sons apply for British passport after 10 years from the date when they enter in UK?

4- if Ho refuse to grant DlR on 7 year child route
Then what options we have.

5-what is the best time to submit 7 year child case? Can submit application before few days to complete 7 years?

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Re: Non UK born child

Post by CR001 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:58 am

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