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Well its entirely your decision but what would the case worker do with the accounts? All you need to prove is employment creation so chances are he may just put them to the side.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:34 pmHi,
I will be applying for my ILR (Tier 1 50K route) in about 10 days time.
Some people are of the opinion that we should strictly stick to sending only those documents which are required and nothing extra. While some are of the opinion that a few extra documents such as insurance certificates, marketing material, annual accounts, etc should be sent to help the caseworker assess the genuine entrepreneur test.
I was thinking of sending my annual accounts for all five years along with my application but in two minds now.
Your views?
Thanks
I understand but then how does the caseworker assess genuine entrepreneur test if we send them the minimal documents?
From what I gather from the guidance and the forum, it seems that you have to wait for them to contact you in case they have any questions about the genuineness of your business or require additional documents.
Thanks for this important question, I have exact question going on in my mind as my solicitor said we should submit extra document to prove genuine entrepreneur, but I am a bit sceptical about it, hence, confuse on this. I am also due to put in my application this month. Any more suggestions from gurus on this issue are welcome.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:34 pmHi,
I will be applying for my ILR (Tier 1 50K route) in about 10 days time.
Some people are of the opinion that we should strictly stick to sending only those documents which are required and nothing extra. While some are of the opinion that a few extra documents such as insurance certificates, marketing material, annual accounts, etc should be sent to help the caseworker assess the genuine entrepreneur test.
I was thinking of sending my annual accounts for all five years along with my application but in two minds now.
Your views?
Thanks
I will be applying for ILR via 50K route next month, I know the required documents are only for the employment creation, Life in the UK test, engaged in business activity at the time of application (companies house documents) and English language.Ameten wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:20 amThanks for this important question, I have exact question going on in my mind as my solicitor said we should submit extra document to prove genuine entrepreneur, but I am a bit sceptical about it, hence, confuse on this. I am also due to put in my application this month. Any more suggestions from gurus on this issue are welcome.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:34 pmHi,
I will be applying for my ILR (Tier 1 50K route) in about 10 days time.
Some people are of the opinion that we should strictly stick to sending only those documents which are required and nothing extra. While some are of the opinion that a few extra documents such as insurance certificates, marketing material, annual accounts, etc should be sent to help the caseworker assess the genuine entrepreneur test.
I was thinking of sending my annual accounts for all five years along with my application but in two minds now.
Your views?
Thanks
raj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pmHi guys,
I am applying for my Tier 1 50K ILR in a week's time. I am slightly confused about how to fill out the job creation table. Some key points about my employments are as below:
1) I am covered by transitional arrangements.
2) Employee 1 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 01/03/2014 but I am showing his employment from 01/07/2016 to 28/02/2018.
3) Employee 2 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 03/02/2017 and I am showing his employment from 03/02/2017 to 28/02/2018.
As you can see, I am showing way more than 24 months of full time employment. Now I don't know how to put these two employments in the table.
Start date with your business (if this differs from start date in job) - this is confusing me because my employee 1's start date with my company is in 2014 but i am showing his employment from 2016. So what do I put down in this box and what do I put down in the Start date box? ==> Start date with the business is start date with your company. Not sure what the confusion is.
Now, I am showing 20 months of full time employment for Employee 1 and 8 months of full time employment for Employee 2. So do I just fill out two tables for each employment separately? Or am I meant to fill out one table for Employee 1 for 12 months and then fill out another table for Employee 1 as well as 2 together to suggest its a equivalent of another full time job? ==> The job table is just that - JOB table. 1 entry per job. So if the employee 1 is doing the same job throughout, then it is one table.
Also, both these employees are still working with me, so what do I put down in the end date box? ==> just a '-' or 'present' or something like that
Your help will be highly appreciated.
Many thanks.
==> Start date with the business is start date with your company. Not sure what the confusion is. Ok so in my case, employee 1's start date with the business is 01.03.2014. But then what do I put down in the "start date" box? Do I put down 01.03.2014? Or 01.07.2016, the start date from which i am going to claim points for ILR?marcnath wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:06 pmraj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pmHi guys,
I am applying for my Tier 1 50K ILR in a week's time. I am slightly confused about how to fill out the job creation table. Some key points about my employments are as below:
1) I am covered by transitional arrangements.
2) Employee 1 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 01/03/2014 but I am showing his employment from 01/07/2016 to 28/02/2018.
3) Employee 2 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 03/02/2017 and I am showing his employment from 03/02/2017 to 28/02/2018.
As you can see, I am showing way more than 24 months of full time employment. Now I don't know how to put these two employments in the table.
Start date with your business (if this differs from start date in job) - this is confusing me because my employee 1's start date with my company is in 2014 but i am showing his employment from 2016. So what do I put down in this box and what do I put down in the Start date box? ==> Start date with the business is start date with your company. Not sure what the confusion is.
Now, I am showing 20 months of full time employment for Employee 1 and 8 months of full time employment for Employee 2. So do I just fill out two tables for each employment separately? Or am I meant to fill out one table for Employee 1 for 12 months and then fill out another table for Employee 1 as well as 2 together to suggest its a equivalent of another full time job? ==> The job table is just that - JOB table. 1 entry per job. So if the employee 1 is doing the same job throughout, then it is one table.
Also, both these employees are still working with me, so what do I put down in the end date box? ==> just a '-' or 'present' or something like that
Your help will be highly appreciated.
Many thanks.
marcnath wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:06 pmraj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pmHi guys,
I am applying for my Tier 1 50K ILR in a week's time. I am slightly confused about how to fill out the job creation table. Some key points about my employments are as below:
1) I am covered by transitional arrangements.
2) Employee 1 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 01/03/2014 but I am showing his employment from 01/07/2016 to 28/02/2018.
3) Employee 2 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 03/02/2017 and I am showing his employment from 03/02/2017 to 28/02/2018.
As you can see, I am showing way more than 24 months of full time employment. Now I don't know how to put these two employments in the table.
Start date with your business (if this differs from start date in job) - this is confusing me because my employee 1's start date with my company is in 2014 but i am showing his employment from 2016. So what do I put down in this box and what do I put down in the Start date box? ==> Start date with the business is start date with your company. Not sure what the confusion is.
Now, I am showing 20 months of full time employment for Employee 1 and 8 months of full time employment for Employee 2. So do I just fill out two tables for each employment separately? Or am I meant to fill out one table for Employee 1 for 12 months and then fill out another table for Employee 1 as well as 2 together to suggest its a equivalent of another full time job? ==> The job table is just that - JOB table. 1 entry per job. So if the employee 1 is doing the same job throughout, then it is one table.
Also, both these employees are still working with me, so what do I put down in the end date box? ==> just a '-' or 'present' or something like that
Your help will be highly appreciated.
Many thanks.
I don't think it is critical, but to me Start date with business and Start date is almost always the same. The two columns are really only relevant if the same employee has changed job during their employment.raj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:48 pmmarcnath wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:06 pmraj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pmHi guys,
I am applying for my Tier 1 50K ILR in a week's time. I am slightly confused about how to fill out the job creation table. Some key points about my employments are as below:
1) I am covered by transitional arrangements.
2) Employee 1 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 01/03/2014 but I am showing his employment from 01/07/2016 to 28/02/2018.
3) Employee 2 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 03/02/2017 and I am showing his employment from 03/02/2017 to 28/02/2018.
As you can see, I am showing way more than 24 months of full time employment. Now I don't know how to put these two employments in the table.
Start date with your business (if this differs from start date in job) - this is confusing me because my employee 1's start date with my company is in 2014 but i am showing his employment from 2016. So what do I put down in this box and what do I put down in the Start date box? ==> Start date with the business is start date with your company. Not sure what the confusion is.
Now, I am showing 20 months of full time employment for Employee 1 and 8 months of full time employment for Employee 2. So do I just fill out two tables for each employment separately? Or am I meant to fill out one table for Employee 1 for 12 months and then fill out another table for Employee 1 as well as 2 together to suggest its a equivalent of another full time job? ==> The job table is just that - JOB table. 1 entry per job. So if the employee 1 is doing the same job throughout, then it is one table.
Also, both these employees are still working with me, so what do I put down in the end date box? ==> just a '-' or 'present' or something like that
Your help will be highly appreciated.
Many thanks.
Please have a look at my job creation table: http://oi66.tinypic.com/30x7wyh.jpg
Is this ok? Is this how am I meant to claim it?
Thank you
Thank you for the clarification.marcnath wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:20 pmI don't think it is critical, but to me Start date with business and Start date is almost always the same. The two columns are really only relevant if the same employee has changed job during their employment.raj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:48 pmmarcnath wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:06 pmraj.m wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pmHi guys,
I am applying for my Tier 1 50K ILR in a week's time. I am slightly confused about how to fill out the job creation table. Some key points about my employments are as below:
1) I am covered by transitional arrangements.
2) Employee 1 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 01/03/2014 but I am showing his employment from 01/07/2016 to 28/02/2018.
3) Employee 2 (Full time 32 hours a week) started with my company on 03/02/2017 and I am showing his employment from 03/02/2017 to 28/02/2018.
As you can see, I am showing way more than 24 months of full time employment. Now I don't know how to put these two employments in the table.
Start date with your business (if this differs from start date in job) - this is confusing me because my employee 1's start date with my company is in 2014 but i am showing his employment from 2016. So what do I put down in this box and what do I put down in the Start date box? ==> Start date with the business is start date with your company. Not sure what the confusion is.
Now, I am showing 20 months of full time employment for Employee 1 and 8 months of full time employment for Employee 2. So do I just fill out two tables for each employment separately? Or am I meant to fill out one table for Employee 1 for 12 months and then fill out another table for Employee 1 as well as 2 together to suggest its a equivalent of another full time job? ==> The job table is just that - JOB table. 1 entry per job. So if the employee 1 is doing the same job throughout, then it is one table.
Also, both these employees are still working with me, so what do I put down in the end date box? ==> just a '-' or 'present' or something like that
Your help will be highly appreciated.
Many thanks.
Please have a look at my job creation table: http://oi66.tinypic.com/30x7wyh.jpg
Is this ok? Is this how am I meant to claim it?
Thank you
Otherwise the Start date with the business can be left blank (it says you need to fill it only if different from Start date of the job).
For my ILR application, I filled in Start date with exactly what it was - the start date that was sometime well before my extension date.
But this is not going to affect your application. The CW will take into account only the pay documents you submit anyway.
Thank you zimba88. You're very helpful as always.
The explanatory note in that question specifies which categories need the evidence. T1E is not one of those, so you can leave it blank or check Other and explain you are not providing as it is not required
Whatever the date was when you last entered UK, so yes after your 4 week trip
Does your passport have some indication regarding the leave to enter specified in 6.6 ? If so, check Passport also
Student visa time + current t1e + psw. Ignore short trips.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 pm
7.13. How long have you lived in the UK?
I first came in the UK in 2004 on a student visa and then returned to my home country in 2007. I came back to the UK in 2009 on a student visa again, then changed to PSW and then eventually to Tier 1 Entrepreneur in 2013. Am I supposed to write the total amount of time I’ve lived in the UK on Tier 1 Entrepreneur visa here OR Am I supposed write the total amount of time altogether from 2004? And am I meant to deduct my absences from the total period whenever I went out of the country for a few weeks’ visit?
Go ahead and fill those two., They are primarily meant for the accelerated route, so does not matter.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 pm
Page 39 – X1 In the table, I understand I have to fill out Engaged in business activity at the time of application and Job Creation sections. The third row is 3 year accelerated route only and I understand this does not apply to me, so I leave that blank. But what about Investment in a UK business and Business Registration? Investment – I understand I am exempt as I was previously awarded points for it in my extension application. But what about Business Registration? Do I have to fill this out?
Yes, but you don't need to send anything.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 pm
Page 76
Knowledge of language and life in the UK
If you have to complete section 4, and you and/or a partner applying with you are aged 18-64, you must provide one of the following for each of you:
- A Life in the UK test pass notification letter; and
- A relevant speaking and listening qualification, as described in the guidance on our website.
In the above section, there are two tick boxes – one for Life in the UK test and another for speaking and listening qualification. I’ve ticked the life in the uk test box. For English requirements, I am sending my master’s degree certificate from UK university and there is no tick box specifically for this. Do I just tick the “relevant speaking and listening qualification box”?
You have heard wrong.
No. Just the history page is good enoughraj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:47 pmThank you zimba88. You're very helpful as always.
One more question regarding CAR. I know CAR has a filing history page. But do I also need to send each and every document from the filing history page? For example, the filing history page will list things such as AR, AA, CS, articles of association, etc. Do I need to order all these documents from webcheck and send them with my application?
Thank you ever so much, I really appreciate it.marcnath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:14 pmThe explanatory note in that question specifies which categories need the evidence. T1E is not one of those, so you can leave it blank or check Other and explain you are not providing as it is not required
Whatever the date was when you last entered UK, so yes after your 4 week trip
Does your passport have some indication regarding the leave to enter specified in 6.6 ? If so, check Passport also
Student visa time + current t1e + psw. Ignore short trips.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 pm
7.13. How long have you lived in the UK?
I first came in the UK in 2004 on a student visa and then returned to my home country in 2007. I came back to the UK in 2009 on a student visa again, then changed to PSW and then eventually to Tier 1 Entrepreneur in 2013. Am I supposed to write the total amount of time I’ve lived in the UK on Tier 1 Entrepreneur visa here OR Am I supposed write the total amount of time altogether from 2004? And am I meant to deduct my absences from the total period whenever I went out of the country for a few weeks’ visit?
Go ahead and fill those two., They are primarily meant for the accelerated route, so does not matter.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 pm
Page 39 – X1 In the table, I understand I have to fill out Engaged in business activity at the time of application and Job Creation sections. The third row is 3 year accelerated route only and I understand this does not apply to me, so I leave that blank. But what about Investment in a UK business and Business Registration? Investment – I understand I am exempt as I was previously awarded points for it in my extension application. But what about Business Registration? Do I have to fill this out?
Yes, but you don't need to send anything.raj.m wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:56 pm
Page 76
Knowledge of language and life in the UK
If you have to complete section 4, and you and/or a partner applying with you are aged 18-64, you must provide one of the following for each of you:
- A Life in the UK test pass notification letter; and
- A relevant speaking and listening qualification, as described in the guidance on our website.
In the above section, there are two tick boxes – one for Life in the UK test and another for speaking and listening qualification. I’ve ticked the life in the uk test box. For English requirements, I am sending my master’s degree certificate from UK university and there is no tick box specifically for this. Do I just tick the “relevant speaking and listening qualification box”?
You have heard wrong.
For both my extension and ILR, I organised all documents in folders such as this - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-X-A4-Cle ... 1593039855
It had the benefit of being able to put it in a file but at the same time letting the CW take any documents to review, copy, etc. easily. All the documents were returned exactly as I sent them in the same folders
I meant it does not matter whether you do or don't - feel free to go either way.
Are you planning to do PSC? , If so then yes you will require all documents (excluding application form) to be photocopied beforehand.